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Old 8/27/12 | 11:27 PM
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Since the 2013s already have HIDs...

can I just change the ballast out and out a 6k set-up in or do I have to mess with the wiring and all that? I don't like the stock lights too much and I have trouble seeing at night so I need to have HIDs ( since they're in projector headlights, it doesn't annoy the oncoming lane when properly adjusted ) not like the reflective housing, those people are annoying!
Old 8/27/12 | 11:56 PM
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I don't see why not since the housings are built to use HID bulbs that are hotter than regular and projectors. Do it and tell us how it turned out.
Old 8/28/12 | 12:11 AM
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I don't see why not since the housings are built to use HID bulbs that are hotter than regular and projectors. Do it and tell us how it turned out.
Haha well you'll be waiting for over a month since I just got my VIN last week if I had the car I would of tried already!
Old 8/28/12 | 04:29 AM
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Why do you want to change the ballast? Just change the bulbs if you want a different color temp. Ford used the D3S bulb in the past, and I bet the 2013s use the same bulb. None of the charts seem to show the 13s yet, though, so you'll have to make sure by looking at the car.
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I tried changing out just the bulbs on my 12 (oem hid) for 6k hid bulbs I purchased from stang mods ... they would work great for about 10 minutes and then cut out randomly. I would have to turn the lights off then back on and in 10 minutes gone again. It was really weird but I was able to return and they told me they were looking into new suppliers as others reported the same problem.

I have a ddm tuning kit for my cs fogs and they work great, still trying to find the headlight match though ... if anyone found bulbs that worked please post up. The 6k looked sooo much better than stock!!
Old 8/28/12 | 07:24 AM
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I'd LOVE 6k bulbs for my '13 ... I hate how yellow/dull the low beams are compared to the fog lights ...

According to my owner's manual that I happen to have sitting here the '13 headlamp HID bulbs are D3S


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Old 8/28/12 | 07:34 AM
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So would these work on a '13 ?

TGP D3S / D3R 6000k Diamond White HID Xenon Replacement Bulbs Low Beam Only 2008-2011 Ford Mustang (With Factory HID) : Amazon.com : Automotive TGP D3S / D3R 6000k Diamond White HID Xenon Replacement Bulbs Low Beam Only 2008-2011 Ford Mustang (With Factory HID) : Amazon.com : Automotive

They say "low beam only" and they're listed for 08-11 Mustangs with factory HID option, but I'm pretty sure the '13 has low AND high beam as HID ...

Am I wrong?
Old 8/28/12 | 07:50 AM
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You do realize that the effective light output on a set of 6000K bulbs is less than stock, right?

My advice, don't do it. Waste of time and money.
Old 8/28/12 | 08:10 AM
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You do realize that the effective light output on a set of 6000K bulbs is less than stock, right?

My advice, don't do it. Waste of time and money.
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The higher you go than stock which I think is 4800k? The visibility will suffer. The color might look a little nicer but the output will be much less especially in rain and wet road. Also if you get the cheap bulbs it will look like you put in a 30 dollar HID kit on your 30+ GT. I wouldn't do it.
Old 8/28/12 | 08:17 AM
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Most OEM HID setups are between 4300-4500K, and utilize a 35W ballast. By comparison, a standard halogen bulb requires 55W to operate.
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Output difference at 6k vs 4300 isn't very noticeable, to me it actually appeared brighter. 8k and up you may notice a difference but for me I see no negatives if you go from factory hid to 6k bulbs. The 6k hids are going to be brighter than the stock halogens most mustang have anyway ... plus it looks 10x better!
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Thanks for all the info, actually 6k is the brightest HID and it starts to decrease and the light turns more blue as the temp is high, like 6k is white and 8k is more of a blue color which is less strong
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Thanks for all the info, actually 6k is the brightest HID and it starts to decrease and the light turns more blue as the temp is high, like 6k is white and 8k is more of a blue color which is less strong
No, you are wrong.

If you measure light output in lumens, 3000k is the most effective light color available. As you increase light temperature (the number in K), you decrease effective light output (in lumens).

Of course, this is only true when measuring ballasts of identical wattage. 55W ballasts will generate more light than 35W ballast, however, 35W HID ballasts still generate about 1.5x more light than a halogen bulb at 55W.

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Old 8/28/12 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mopar?
Thanks for all the info, actually 6k is the brightest HID and it starts to decrease and the light turns more blue as the temp is high, like 6k is white and 8k is more of a blue color which is less strong
What? '6K' is not a measurement of lumens output but color temperature of the light.

And BMW/Acura/Ford OEM is typically 3500-4500 which is the brightest.

Like others have said it would be a waste and a detriment to the actual lighting but if bluer obvious non-OEM light color is what you are looking for by all means replace your OEM bulbs designed to last the lifetime of a warrantied brand new car with unknown chinese ones.
Old 8/28/12 | 11:28 AM
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I guess the shop I always went to was wrong then, sorry D:

I feel like the 6k HID set up I have now on my current car with projector headlights is 10x brighter than the 13 stangs which are 4k or whatever, plus the color is better looking imo
Old 8/28/12 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mopar?
I guess the shop I always went to was wrong then, sorry D:

I feel like the 6k HID set up I have now on my current car with projector headlights is 10x brighter than the 13 stangs which are 4k or whatever, plus the color is better looking imo
It looks brighter because the color blue, being [close to] the highest visible wavelength, diffracts in our eyes the best - it bounces around inside the eyeball and sets off the most cones. It does not, however, carry any useful information - the eye can't use that bouncing around to tell what is in it.

It's a lot like high-pitched sounds. You ever try to find a cricket? It's **** near impossible, because the high-pitched chirping makes it very difficult for your ears to pinpoint its location. But it's almost impossible to ignore!

Same with blue light. It's not any brighter - the physics of an HID bulb dictate that any salts used to color it will decrease its actual light output. It's pure science, and is verifiable and repeatable - and not open to debate. A bluer light bulb will put out less usable light, and it will do that every time. It will appear brighter, because it fools your eyeball, but all it is is glare. Pure and simple.

If you want the most usable light output (the point of a light bulb, after all, is to see what's in front of it) from an HID bulb, you want 4300K. No more, no less. It's just that simple.
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Old 8/28/12 | 03:31 PM
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So let me get this straight.. You want to replace your brand new perfectly functioning headlights because they are not blue enough?

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Originally Posted by JPMotorSport
What? '6K' is not a measurement of lumens output but color temperature of the light.

And BMW/Acura/Ford OEM is typically 3500-4500 which is the brightest.

Like others have said it would be a waste and a detriment to the actual lighting but if bluer obvious non-OEM light color is what you are looking for by all means replace your OEM bulbs designed to last the lifetime of a warrantied brand new car with unknown chinese ones.
The blue color is not my thing either, but there are OEM quality bulbs available in 6000k. You can get Phillips, Sylvania, and other name brands in several temperatures. Here's a set of Phillips: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-D3S-...-/140785575311

The Chinese ones are not all bad, either. I probably would stay away from them in an expensive car, but my motorcycle, "Bandit 1200S," had terrible OEM projector headlights. You could hardly see around a corner. I got a set of DDM tuning 5000k HIDs, and it made a world of difference. I've been running them 4+ years with no problems.
Old 8/28/12 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GRN 5OH
So let me get this straight.. You want to replace your brand new perfectly functioning headlights because they are not blue enough?

I have something called night blindness where my eyes don't fully adjust to low light and HIDs help me see much better at night than OEM lights. Learn to read.

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