Show me a reliable way to determine the shifter is in neutral. I think that's the problem most remote starters have. Hence the long process Viper makes you go through.

 

Doesn't the ECU/ECM have a way of telling what gear the car is in?

 

I agree that it's a PITA sequence but I'm only interested in using the remote start for my new baby girl on cold mornings and very hot afternoons. Definitely something I wouldn't want to use daily.

 

Now this is the System on the Mazda, so I do not know if it will work on a Ford, the remote starting system bypasses all the key, pats, clutch and everything else. The only thing it will not do is bypass the neutral safety switch. On a manual you will need to find the E-brake wire going to the brake light and wire that into the wire for the neutral safety switch on the remote starter.
This was done on my 2008 Mazda 3 with the Factory remote start.
Like I said, you would need to see what safety devises are bypassed by the remote and at least with the E-brake wire hooked up for the neutral safety switch it should not go anywhere.

 

The problem is that a Mazda3 would snuff IF you were able to start it in gear, without the parking brake engaged. It doesn't have the torque. I know, my Focus ST has the same engine.

A Mustang could have enough torque to keep going, even enough to override the parking brake.

 

YES YOU CAN!! ITS VERY EASY READ MY EARLIER POST!!!

i've seen all the crap that has gone on with remote starts in manual cars.. i used to install them for a living.. i can tell you many stories.. of cars flying through parking lots, into walls, through garage doors, into swimming pools.. etc.. when they are not installed correctly, or with safety feature bypassed. and yes ive seen many cars that can be started while in 1-3 and reverse WITH the parking break engaged. they usually stall right out after the started disengages from the ssytem.. but some systems will continually restart the vehicle until a maximum limit is reached.. usually 3 times engaging the starter, to prevent damage to the engine.


MAGNETIC SWITCHES ON THE SHIFTER / TRANSMISSION

magnetic switches i put in would only allow the car to start if it was in neutral.. (MADE MY OWN NEUTRAL SAFTEY) wired the switches nc(normally closed) to - ground.. wired that to the neutral saftey switch of the remote start system , this has to be made on a PER CAR basis, also wired up the parking brake into the circuit as well and put a tiny red LED in line with the entire system.. if the car was not in neutral and/or the parking brake was not engaged the LED would NOT be lit and the car would not start.. its sounds complicated.. trust me its not and was totally moron proof.

before any one says " you disabled the clutch switch", the clutch switch stayed fully operational..
you wire the the starter after the switch..

 

Goodness.

I really do understand that there are a couple of circumstances where a remote start is a requirement to some, and I have no issue with that. That being said:

Get an auto. Or don't get remote start. But not both manual and remote, it's just too risky.

/thought we hashed this out before...?

 

Dude, I would NOT DO THAT!!! I read a story about a guy or auctioneer) who was selling a Lamborghini Countach at an auction. He wanted to show off to buyers that his car (a 5000S if I recall, this was some time ago) had remote start!! So he proceded to start the car via the fob, not realizing the car was still in gear. Needless to say, it did move, into 2 or 3 other cars that were going up for auction at the same venue!!! NOT A GOOD DAY!!!

 

all this fear of remote start is silly. it can only be dangerous if you install it improperly, without the appropriate safety measures.

i hear the same thing about guns. "nooo don't buy a gun!! kids will shoot themselves with it! you will accidentally shoot people with it!! look at the statistics!!!" -- no, it's IDIOTS that allow their guns to be involved in accidents. it's IDIOTS that allow their remote starter to crash their car.

if you're not an IDIOT, then i fully support you getting a remote starter or a gun or anything else. otherwise, maybe you should stay inside today, because the world is a dangerous place for an idiot.

 

Steve, I generally concur. However the problem is the fob. And absent-mindedness.

You're not likely to just hand someone your gun and you're most certainly not going to set it on the hall table with kids in the house. The keys, however, are very likely to be found/used by someone not familiar with the "installation" of your remote start (safe or not.)

Yeah, it can be done. And you could probably put a jet engine in the Mustang too. But if you're the only guy capable of using it properly, it's probably not worth putting in the car.

Just my $.02.

 

fantastic point.

 

I agree, on the 2011s the car would have to know so it doesnt activate the skip shift unless you are in first gear.

 

If you have safety mechanisms in place (trigger lock), the gun is all but useless unless the kid picks it up and beats someone with it.

Same goes for the remote start with proper safety mechanisms.

I was just hoping their was a system out there (out of the box) that would recognize when it is in neutral. If it wasn't...don't start.

 

True about the gun - but I would say it should always be safe to hit the "start" button on a properly installed remote starter. It should never start with the car in gear. If it can or does, then that was an improperly installed - or unsafe remote starter.

I think any kit that is marketed for manual cars has some sort of neutral detection. My friend has a Viper remote start/alarm on his manual Integra, and it has the neutral detection + the semi-complicated sequence you have to follow in order to "activate" the remote start. (braking, putting it in neutral, turning the engine off, closing the doors, etc in a particular order) He says the sequence becomes habit pretty fast, and it's easy to get used to. It's all the things you normally do when you get out of your car, but now you just have to do them in a specific order. For added safety, it won't start, even if it's in neutral, if you do not follow that "script."

 

How many of you actually leave your car in first when it is off? I don't do that unless I am on a hill and I wanted a backup for the E-brake. For flat surface parking, I simply put it in neutral and engage the hand brake. My car is never in gear when parked.

 

I used to always leave mine in reverse when parked. The Mustang is hit or miss for me.... sometimes 1st. Sometimes reverse. Sometimes neutral. Always e-brake.

 

Always always always...

If I back in and a wall/garage door is behind me it's in first. If I pull in and a wall/garage door is in front of me, it's in reverse.

Why? I came from an era where you used to be able to start a car in gear. And depending on the car/truck, if you forgot to push in the clutch you could leap forward a few feet. Better leaving it in gear in the direction that would cause the least damage. In 26 years of driving, I've always had at least one standard car.

E-brake only? Nearly never. Cables are too prone to failing, and you don't have to reef on the brake so hard, because it's backing up the engine holding it still.

 

The main reason I have interest in a remote start manual transmission is because if I am walking towards the car; I can start the engine giving it about a minute or two depending on distance from the car and if I need to put stuff in the trunk. I then only idle for about 2 more minutes probably a little more to allow the oils to warm up to green. Leaving the car in first is not my go to, I only ever do that if I am on a steep incline and worried that the E-brake will fail. If I am parking on a slight incline or flat service which is 98% of the time for me I leave the transmission in neutral with E-Brake on. It's not to leave the engine idling for hours per-say it's mostly so that I don't have to climb inside partway to begin the ~4 minute warm-up sequence. As far as safety switches if the E-brake is not on and someone uses the transmission to park it then that's not healthy. Using the E-Break is preferred over the transmission the transmission is a back up in-case the E-Brake gives out on an incline. As far as anyone driving away with the car they can't unless I activate the Valet mode, leave my Key chip in the car, or they hack it. Heck the car warns me that the key is out of range when I lean out of the car. I really want a remote start for those specific reasons. Also, driving an automatic mustang is not an option I am willing to except.

 

Welcome to the forums! We're friendly 'round here, glad you can join us!

With that... Ok, everyone, people of today and those for the future, let's just put this one to bed already. Everything's been said. No more examples need making. No more technicalities need expressing. The bottom line is thus:

1 - Manual transmission and remote start is a bad idea, regardless of any excuse/technicalities/? you can come up with. For all the reasons you *can't*, as well as the ones already listed.

2 - If you deem it to be 'fine for you' then we (proverbially, mind, not everyone as shown) cannot stop you from doing the thing, Zhu Li. You do you and that'll do.

3 - But if you do... it's then all on you, nobody else to blame for the car trundling off into a retention pond because you dropped it off at a dealership/mechanic to get worked on or similar unfortunate happenstance.

So can we put this one to bed? Please? It's a silly thread now, and nobody's convincing the other party to cross the fence. Thaaanks!

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If having the convenience of a remote start takes precedence in a manual transmission, then perhaps you should consider making the switch to an automatic transmission. The main reason for depressing the clutch prior to starting the vehicle, is designed as a safety measure to prevent the vehicle from accidently being started when the transmission is engaged in gear. IIRC, even late model vehicles equipped with automatic transmissions have safety switches that require being placed in park before they can be started. As for your opinion regarding who uses the transmission to park it as not being healthy if the E-brake is not engaged, doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever IMHO. That would be no different from someone putting an automatic transmission into park as not being healthy when parking the vehicle whether the E-brake is being used or not. There's a reason and purpose behind automakers being required to equip their vehicles with said safety switches.. Another reason for keeping the transmission engaged in gear when not being operated, also reduces premature wear and tear on the E-brake cable as well. That being said, if the safety switches designed for manual transmissions isn't acceptable to your liking, then unfortunately you'll have no other option but to settle for a mustang equipped with an automatic transmission, for it is what it is.

Anyhow for what it's worth, welcome aboard.