For anyone that doesn't think the new Mustang doesn't have torque or is a turd, don't buy one. But, the truth will rest in your head and when you see one, you'll wish you had one. I love my 2008 but wish I had one of the new ones. This is the nicest Mustang ever. Power, comfort, features, quietness of ride and most of all looks.

 

Sweet!!! That's the nicest Toyota Celica I've ever seen!

 

I like the "SLO" badge on the front fender.

 

As a former owner of a: 2010 Mustang GT 5speed manual, 2006 Mustang GT 5speed auto, 2005 Mustang GT 5speed auto, 2000 Mustang GT 4speed auto, 1996 Mustang GT 5speed manual, 1987 Mustang GT 5speed manual, 1985 Mustang GT 5speed manual, 1983 Mustang GT 5speed manual, 1982 Mustang GT 5.0 4speed manual, 1979 5.0 Mustang 4speed manual, and 1971 Mustang 351C Mach1 3speed automatic, I can say without a doubt that my 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 6speed automatic has SIGNIFICANTLY more torque than any of these cars.

What the 2011 5.0 does do different than all my older Mustangs is deliver its torque and HP much more smoothly and for longer duration. The old ones had good torque off the line but, compared to the 2011, would fall on their face after about 3500 RPM. Sure, you could rev the engine to 5,000 (and I'm speaking more of of the older 5.0's here and '96-'04 4.6's), but what was the point?

I've owned 'em and can definitely vouch that the 5.0 has and feels like it has much more torque than the old Mustangs.

 

Actually all joking aside, I like your avatar. I've owned two 73 Mustangs over the years. Last one had a 351C. Not popular bodystyles but one of my favorites.

 

desertMustang: LOL. I thought your jokes were funny. Hope you like mine (see revised pic in your posts ;-)

 

Cool! Thanks for having a good sense of humor. I know the 2011 is hands down the best Mustang ever made. I actually sold my last '73 so I could buy a 2011. I was in the middle of restoring it (a coupe no less) when I asked myself what the heck I was doing. I could just buy something way better than I could ever build. If it would have been a Mach I, then no way I could have sold it.

Do you have a 2011 Mustang Facebook page by any chance. I'm a fan of that page and the owner has owned many Mustangs over the year like yourself. I remember his first was a bighorse Mach I.

 

I wish I still had my 1971 Mustang Mach 1. Yeah, I know they were controversial back in their day. Too big, too bloated, too heavy, can't see out of the back window, yada yada. But to my eyes, that was one badass muscle/pony car.

Yes, that's me. I'm the admin of a FB 2011 Mustang Facebook page. Almost 3,000 members! I'm glad you're a fan of the page. Thanks for asking!

 

I had a 84 Gt and now have a Mach 1. What you say is spot on. I have not driven the new 5 liter but my old 302 felt very strong down low. Much more so than the 4.6 4v. However, it would run out of wind quicker. Thats when the 4v really shines. It comes on like gang busters. They are two different animals and I suspect the 5liter is like the 4.6 4v only in a much more powerful package. I dont miss that danged carburetor I can tell you that much. I never want to see one again even though FI has some issues I dont care for.

 

Carburetors ...oh, those were the days! I don't miss them either. At least with the modern FI systems, you don't have vapor locking, nor do you have sticking (or out of adjustment) choke plates, float/needle valve issues, leaking accelerator pump diaphragms, vacuum leaks from the carburetor gaskets, and, in the case of 4-venturi (Bbl in GM-speak) carbs, no secondary actuator issues. Did I miss anything? Oh, remember engine "dieseling"? That was fun when you tried to shut your engine off (and you had an automatic transmission) and the engine would continue to run without electric ignition because carbon deposits in the combustion chamber would continue to ignite the fuel supplied by the carburetor.

And, while we're reminiscing, do we want to talk about distributors, points, condensors, dwell/gap adjustment, stalling engines when moisture would get in the cap, ignition advance mechanism sticking? Yeah, shade-tree mechanics could fix stuff like that with everyday tools but it seemed like that was more often than I cared for. The modern electronic stuff is, by far IMO, more reliable.

 

LOL Yes, I remember all of those things. I dont miss it one bit. Cold stumbles and hard starts and the list goes on and on. I remember in 86 I think it was when FI came out the Mustang crowd thought performance was over for good. It was over and there would never be a way to modifiy a Mustang ever again. Now look where we are.

Too many smart people out there and they will always figure it out. I had a mechanic tell me once that the best thing that ever happened was FI. It would not allow the dump of raw fuel in the cumbustion chamber that could not be burned off. Thats why engines last so much longer these days.

Despite a few quirks I dont care for it is 1000 times better than a carb. Man, I have had a bunch of Ford and Gm cars and trucks with carbs and they all suck compared to FI.

Whats funny is that I am old enough to remember all of this stuff. It just hit me that many members have no clue what we are talking about. They dont know what they missed out on. I guess if I had to pick my best carb car it would be a 72 Ford LTD with a 400 2 bbl. It started good hot or cold and ran like a champ. Cant say the same for the others. They all had issues. Ford and Chevrolet. I never could get them to run and start right hot and cold. It was one or the other.

 

Agreed, Chevys. Although I wouldn't want to go back to any of that, I'm glad I lived through it. It was a simple time and I appreciated it for what it was and it helps me appreciate what we have today even more. I mean, my gosh, my 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 has 412 freakin' horsepower, 11.0:1 compression, yet the engine idles and cruises as smoothly as a Cadillac (or Lincoln, LOL). It's amazing. To get that kind of power back in the day required a lumpy cam and a temperamental engine that coughed and sputtered at anything under 2,000 RPM. Truly amazing.

One of the other significant developments has been in transmissions. Hard to believe that back before FI, the typical car did not have an overdrive transmission. It was not uncommon for cars to be turning 3,000+ rpm doing 70MPH. That was another reason for engine wear back then compared to cars today.

As for Carburetors, my favorite was my '83 and ' 85 Mustang GT 5.0 ...they had a Holley 4bbl that was really sweet and well-sized for how the 5.0/302 was tuned back then. Really nice. Even though I prefer Fords, I have always thought the GM Rochester 2bbl and 4bbl Quadrajets were really nice. As nice as EFI is today, they don't produce that wonderful induction sound you get with a good 4bbl carb and an open-face aircleaner (or a stock air cleaner with the lid flipped over) ...yes, those were the days.

And, then there were glass packs ...

 

Back in the day, I had a '71 Trans Am, with a 455 and TH400, 3:73 posi, and wide, WIDE 60 series tires.....(those who knew and loved SuperShops know what I'm talking about....) That car had some bottom end, and not insignificant HP to boot. It was a screamer for it's time, and could actually go around corners, somewhat. Here's some things I don't miss.......adjusting dual point distributers, front end lift at 90+ MPH, re-jetting 750 double pumpers.....wallowing through the corners (by today's standards). Some of you know.........download a tune? HAH, replace points, plugs, carb jets, pulleys, port, polish, and spend about 3x the money to get the 20-30 ponies a guy can get from a tune and CAI now! I spent a lot of time on that car, and it was well worth it, but it took me a lot less time (and money) for similar results last week. I LOVE my 'stang, as much for the things I DON'T have to do to it as the things I can...and they way it drives! The only way to harness the full potential of the TA just 25 years ago was to run a four-bar and slicks. Today's suspension and drivetrain hook a car up in ways that would've blown away some of the "stock" classes in NHRA a couple of decades ago. All that AND it goes left and right without a 30 degree list.

Oh, and while I don't prefer the butt end of the 2010 & up, nor does the front end light me up like the 05-09's, it wouldn't keep me from buying one.........especially the new 5.0 or Shelby.

 

Glass pacs we went ot the sam school Oh how times have chANGES.

 

 

The black diaper looks great with the black paint. I had to pick black.

 

****, that car looks good in black. What a sharp looking ride. I am impressed. You just made up my mind.Man, that sucker is hot looking. I was thinking gray but not now. Very very nice. I love it.

 

You just cracked me up. I was in on some of that. I made some noise and loved every minute of it. I was so foolish as a kid. But, I has a lot of fun.

We have all done supid things. Carbs, glass pacs, ect. Been there and done that.

I swear to God I am older and wiser I think. I dont cut the capers I used to. At least not as often. I try to act more responsible but at times I get out of hand. Not often but once in a while I really cut loose. I just dig these cars and really love to let them loose.

I get the same high as I did when I was 16. These cars rock and they will run like the wind. Oh what fun they are to me. Its probably a MATTER of time before I get locked up. I just love these cars,

Every time I step on the go pedal I smile. I just love these cars. If I get locked up I will try to let you know. Ford has made me very happy minus fake guages. I hate them. Otherwise, I am very happy.

 

"I'm still not sure what exactly is so wrong with the 10-11 rear ends. Some people don't like the backup lights... but the old ones down in the corner of the red just look bad... and would on any car. Look like an afterthought."

Speaking of afterthought, that is what the current rear end appears to be. Everything else they got right: the hips, the swoopy nose (could do without the bulging hood but it is OK). The rear they just carved it up, added the diaper and called it good. Like I always say, they fumbled the ball inside the 10 yard line. Simple as that.

 

I still like the new back end, and the integration of the reverse lights, very tasteful. Fair point though, the lower trim does seem to go best with black.