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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 12:52 PM
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Go with the PP.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 01:08 PM
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Sorry didn't realize you were in Canada. Pretty sure you can't get PP with MCA there. In that case if you like the PP wheels better and want the better gearing (which you do with the 3.7), get the PP and buy an MCA grille and pony tribar emblems aftermarket or from the dealer!
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 01:18 PM
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get the PP, when you wear out the tires put all seasons and that's all..
but no matter what you get make sure it has a 3.31 rear, (packaged or stand alone) that's what makes all the difference on the v6
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Sorry didn't realize you were in Canada. Pretty sure you can't get PP with MCA there. In that case if you like the PP wheels better and want the better gearing (which you do with the 3.7), get the PP and buy an MCA grille and pony tribar emblems aftermarket or from the dealer!
Of course you can! And there are two 2013 MCAs with PP on my local dealer's lot right now! Not SG... The amazing part is they have *any* V6s with MT at all. Oh yeah, test drive and my ordering is tomorrow, only drove the V6 auto 2.73 before. MCA/SG/3.31/rear camera is what I want (MCA includes upgraded wheels/comfort/interior upgrade pkgs. here) Sorry, all this northern nonsense doesn't help the OP at all...

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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 03:24 PM
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Of course you can! And there are two 2013 MCAs with PP on my local dealer's lot right now! Not SG... The amazing part is they have *any* V6s with MT at all. Oh yeah, test drive and my ordering is tomorrow, only drove the V6 auto 2.73 before. MCA/SG/3.31/rear camera is what I want (MCA includes upgraded wheels/comfort/interior upgrade pkgs. here) Sorry, all this northern nonsense doesn't help the OP at all...

You got it! I'm so confused!
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 03:31 PM
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get the PP, when you wear out the tires put all seasons and that's all..
but no matter what you get make sure it has a 3.31 rear, (packaged or stand alone) that's what makes all the difference on the v6
I thought the base gear I would get on the MCA is 3.73. Isn't that faster and "better" than the 3.31 that comes with the PP? Now I'm confused...
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 03:34 PM
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i was originally looking at getting a 2012 V6 Premium + MCA + PP + Glassroof.
but then it was too late and 2013 came up. but then with the same packages it costs a few grands more than 2012 in Canada. so i just got the 2013 MCA. but you could get PP with MCA, they will give PP components if both packages have the same component upgrade such as the rims. i personally liked the 2012 PP rims more than the 2013 PP rims so i didnt care much for the PP rims. but i do like the 3.31 gear ratio and suspensions and the other little extra bits that come with the PP.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 04:37 PM
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I thought the base gear I would get on the MCA is 3.73. Isn't that faster and "better" than the 3.31 that comes with the PP? Now I'm confused...
It is 2.73 with the MCA, and the PP changes that to 3.31.

3.31 means you will have higher engine revs for a given speed. It means you might have to shift sooner, certainly to avoid redline, and possibly more often depending where/how you drive. It means you will get lower gas mileage than with 2.73 for the same speed [edit: and gear]. It means that you get to use 6th gear a bit sooner on the highway. It means more noise and fun at every speed.

Northern Note: The posted speeds on Canadian highways are somewhat lower than in the U.S. Perhaps they offer Canadians 3.31 as a stand-alone option so that we can use that 6th gear pretty much at all. Also they recognize that the summer-only tires part of the PP may not fly well in the Great White North if they only offered 3.31 by way of the PP.

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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cfraser
It is 2.73 with the MCA, and the PP changes that to 3.31.

3.31 means you will have higher engine revs for a given speed. It means you might have to shift sooner, certainly to avoid redline, and possibly more often depending where/how you drive. It means you will get lower gas mileage than with 2.73 for the same speed. It means that you get to use 6th gear a bit sooner on the highway. It means more noise and fun at every speed.

Northern Note: The posted speeds on Canadian highways are somewhat lower than in the U.S. Perhaps they offer Canadians 3.31 as a stand-alone option so that we can use that 6th gear pretty much at all. Also they recognize that the summer-only tires part of the PP may not fly well in the Great White North if they only offered 3.31 by way of the PP.
I really appreciate the explanation. PP it is! Thanks!
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 06:10 PM
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get both thats what i did

get both thats what i did
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 06:11 PM
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drive across the border for both

drive across the border for both
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 06:14 PM
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Definitely go with whatever you like the best, but IMO the PP look sweeter.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Brink500
I really appreciate the explanation. PP it is! Thanks!
I mainly only mentioned the potential downsides. Since it *is* called a Performance Package, the upsides are...I won't even say.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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what are the upsides??

Originally Posted by cfraser
I mainly only mentioned the potential downsides. Since it *is* called a Performance Package, the upsides are...I won't even say.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 08:22 PM
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^ You're a bad man.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 08:55 PM
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For pure looks I like the Pony Package best (18" BBS inspired wheels, chrome grill bits, body colored mirrors, and tri-bar fender badges and floormats), but between the two you're asking about, I like the looks of the Performance Package better. The 19" wheels really enhance the looks of the Mustang and the gloss mirrors are nicer than the flat black. The added performance of the Performance Package is a huge factor too. The suspension, wheels, tires, brakes, rear axle ratio, and strut tower brace turn the vehicle into a formidable handling machine. Without a doubt, if I were to buy a V6 it would have the Performance Package. Adding the MCA package would be fine too if you want to, ahem, pony up the cash.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 10:03 PM
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Performance Package.
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ckaven
get both thats what i did
****...loving that car, man. It looks awesome!

Originally Posted by justindo
For pure looks I like the Pony Package best (18" BBS inspired wheels, chrome grill bits, body colored mirrors, and tri-bar fender badges and floormats), but between the two you're asking about, I like the looks of the Performance Package better. The 19" wheels really enhance the looks of the Mustang and the gloss mirrors are nicer than the flat black. The added performance of the Performance Package is a huge factor too. The suspension, wheels, tires, brakes, rear axle ratio, and strut tower brace turn the vehicle into a formidable handling machine. Without a doubt, if I were to buy a V6 it would have the Performance Package. Adding the MCA package would be fine too if you want to, ahem, pony up the cash.
Between you, ckaven, and cfraser, I've basically been brainwashed to go with the PP...and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I like the "stealth car" look, so I'll do the PP in SG with a spoiler delete and tinted windows. Thanks guys!!!
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 05:33 PM
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I drove a 2013 GB MCA PP today. I gotta say, I seriously doubt anybody will be disappointed with it. Some thoughts:

You can stay in quite a high gear if you want, the torque is decent enough. Whole drive was with windows open so I could hear the engine, it didn't lug at any reasonably low RPM (in the "wrong" gear), my test. I actually *like* the engine sound, it's a pleasant burble, just loud enough to hear what's going on, not totally wimpy. I don't know if the PP has any exhaust changes. Didn't exceed 120km/h (75mph), the unofficial highway limit around here (you drive that, you better not be in the fast lane lol, and I wasn't). You sure get to that speed fast...

Bright sunlight and hot today. As mentioned, the car was GB, not the OP's or my first choice, but it definitely stands out. Though I still really like the look etc. of the gray PP wheels, they (and the Canadian MCA pkg. gray spokey ones on another GB, yes two!) did not look quite right to my eye on this car, I think black or silver wheels might be a better match for GB. I compared DIB and Kona. Kona is much darker, more like a dark navy blue that doesn't change a whole lot with your viewing angle. OTOH DIB seems to change color depending on viewing angle, a definite indigo/purplish color at some. SG looks exactly like what you'd expect, no "surprise" there.

I "complained" in another thread that the local dealers never have V6s. This dealer got a bunch in in the last couple weeks, and in fact it's the opposite of usual: they have virtually no GTs at all, just 2 verts (only one 2013). So their big rotating display car by the highway is a red MCA PP instead of the usual GT/Shelby. I mention this because I noticed the 2013 display MCA PP has Goodyear F1 tires, whereas all the others have the Pirellis...luck of the draw as to what you get probably. The Pirellis on the car I drove were in their element today with the hot pavement, seemed decently sticky, probably would have taken hard gas to get them to squeal (I tried a bit, but no luck).

The 1->2 shift needs to be done very soon (or start in 2nd...), and it is a bit notchy whenever 2nd gear is the one you want (either up or down), not a problem after 10 mins. or so, you'll quickly finesse it at typical revs. Quite a short throw shifter, not incredibly smooth like some MTs, but not too bad either. Didn't notice anything about any of the other gears, but 2nd is noticeable to me. Remember that these are essentially brand new to the lot cars, so some loosening up is to be expected.

Ordered mine today: SG/Stone/MCA/3.31 (Canadian MCA includes gray spokey 18"wheels/comfort/int. upgrade/etc. already). When you order 3.31, they call it a limited slip axle (453) on the order form. Does the 2.73 not include a LSD?

I am not used to driving such a "big" manual car. They still call this a subcompact; right, maybe in the 60s it was. Though in fact my current car is in the same length ballpark, the Mustang is much heavier and more solid/planted feeling, not as nimble though (except in speed). I didn't notice any body roll in the curves, but the salesperson with me was female and though she's a gearhead I wanted to be polite and not bash her against the door etc., so I kept the speed on curves/corners reasonable (but still way faster than most people go). Oh yeah, I'm sure going to enjoy those very tightly-curved ramps soon.

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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 10:07 PM
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The Mustang is subcompact by interior volume, not exterior dimensions. And they're 3.31 gears. I agree on the wheels though - I think GB needs black wheels, or at least black accented wheels.
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