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FromZto5 6/27/14 05:36 AM

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Installed my bobs last night. No 90 degree elbow for a shorter hose run and cleaner look. I love it.

JoeMidnight 6/27/14 06:19 AM

very nice looking car under the hood there!

Sorry - there is A LOT of new lingo that's been flooding my gates since I've joined the forum. what's that bobs thing you're talking about? it looks like the catch can, is that the same thing just a different name? lol :( sorry

FromZto5 6/27/14 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by JoeMidnight (Post 6821161)
very nice looking car under the hood there! Sorry - there is A LOT of new lingo that's been flooding my gates since I've joined the forum. what's that bobs thing you're talking about? it looks like the catch can, is that the same thing just a different name? lol :( sorry

Yes sir. Lingo. All the same. Officially, it's an Air Oil Separator.

Horspla 6/27/14 07:36 AM

Nice install Burton. Good looking underhood...'specially that big huffer! Weren't you going to go with Aeroquip braided lines on the A/O separator? When are you going to get those fancy battery and brake master covers?

John

FromZto5 6/27/14 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Horspla (Post 6821193)
Nice install Burton. Good looking underhood...'specially that big huffer! Weren't you going to go with Aeroquip braided lines on the A/O separator? When are you going to get those fancy battery and brake master covers? John

Thanks John! Funny you mention that. I have the day off with the kids today, so part of our "errands" is going to a hydraulics/specializes auto store locally, and I'm looking for some "blue" braided lines that they have. I still have to look at some anodized fittings as well.

As far as battery covers and brake master covers... Soon john.. Soon :devil:

Horspla 6/27/14 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by FromZto5 (Post 6821196)
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As far as battery covers and brake master covers... Soon john.. Soon :devil:


How did I know that! :D

lakeguy77 7/2/14 03:37 PM

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So I fixed the oil seepage from my Moroso, and another 828km down the road, here's what I got out...and this time I found a shot glass with measurement marks! So pretty much bang on 1/4 oz.

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silverstate777 7/3/14 07:50 AM

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Using a plain unmarked 1.0 ounce shot glass, I’ve been draining between 1/4 and 1/3 of an ounce per 1,000 miles on my large body Moroso since going FI. I recently switched to a small body Moroso and will have to start over with a new baseline. I’m wondering if there will be a difference in separator efficiency between the large/small body styles? They are both passenger side only application. Either way, I probably should pick up a small measuring glass like lakeguy77 uses for more accurate measurements. As a loose comparison, my former NA ‘12 V6 collected between 1/3 to 1/2 of an ounce per 3,000 miles with a JLT separator. This data was collected over the course of 21,000 miles.

The anti-oil separator naysayers claim they are not needed, I get that. My background is with large shipboard diesel engines and most makes had oil separators installed. Diesel vs. Gas engines = apples and oranges? Perhaps.

(the engine in the pic is a typical Colt V10 4.2 model and puts out around 500,000 foot pounds of torque when those twin turbos come on full boost)

lakeguy77 7/3/14 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by silverstate777 (Post 6823456)
Using a plain unmarked 1.0 ounce shot glass, I’ve been draining between 1/4 and 1/3 of an ounce per 1,000 miles on my large body Moroso since going FI. I recently switched to a small body Moroso and will have to start over with a new baseline. I’m wondering if there will be a difference in separator efficiency between the large/small body styles? They are both passenger side only application. Either way, I probably should pick up a small measuring glass like lakeguy77 uses for more accurate measurements. As a loose comparison, my former NA ‘12 V6 collected between 1/3 to 1/2 of an ounce per 3,000 miles with a JLT separator. This data was collected over the course of 21,000 miles.

The anti-oil separator naysayers claim they are not needed, I get that. My background is with large shipboard diesel engines and most makes had oil separators installed. Diesel vs. Gas engines = apples and oranges? Perhaps.

(the engine in the pic is a typical Colt V10 4.2 model and puts out around 500,000 foot pounds of torque when those twin turbos come on full boost)

Holy crap dude. :hail:

typesredline 7/3/14 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by silverstate777 (Post 6823456)
Using a plain unmarked 1.0 ounce shot glass, I’ve been draining between 1/4 and 1/3 of an ounce per 1,000 miles on my large body Moroso since going FI. I recently switched to a small body Moroso and will have to start over with a new baseline. I’m wondering if there will be a difference in separator efficiency between the large/small body styles? They are both passenger side only application. Either way, I probably should pick up a small measuring glass like lakeguy77 uses for more accurate measurements. As a loose comparison, my former NA ‘12 V6 collected between 1/3 to 1/2 of an ounce per 3,000 miles with a JLT separator. This data was collected over the course of 21,000 miles. The anti-oil separator naysayers claim they are not needed, I get that. My background is with large shipboard diesel engines and most makes had oil separators installed. Diesel vs. Gas engines = apples and oranges? Perhaps. (the engine in the pic is a typical Colt V10 4.2 model and puts out around 500,000 foot pounds of torque when those twin turbos come on full boost)

Oh yeah. I'm dropping that into my fwd RSX fo show.

FromZto5 7/5/14 04:17 PM

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So I finished doing some "clean up" today. I ordered a straight through pcv connector...since I didn't like the look of hose going straight into the intake of the Maggie. So since the connector came with the driver side hose, I used my heat gun to expand and loosen the connector so I could pull it off.

After that, trimmed the hose to length, then slid everything on. Voila. Much cleaner oem look IMO.

70monte 7/5/14 08:03 PM

Looks good.


Wayne

FromZto5 11/9/15 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Horspla (Post 6821193)
Nice install Burton. Good looking underhood...'specially that big huffer! Weren't you going to go with Aeroquip braided lines on the A/O separator? When are you going to get those fancy battery and brake master covers?

John

John... old thread, but the answer to your first question is yes, and here it is. Second question answer is Christmas!!! :)

Before:

http://s20.postimg.org/tr7ouyq99/DSC_0302.jpg

After:

Received, installed, and tested my new Ultimate Hose Upgrade kit for my Bob's separator. AN Fittings, braided hoses, and heat shrink clamps to go along with my firewall mount.

Much cleaner bay.

http://s20.postimg.org/kb35k473h/IMG_1682.jpg

http://s20.postimg.org/ilu2c1re5/IMG_1681.jpg

Coyote5-0 11/10/15 11:20 AM

How does the firewall mount install? Do you have to drill the mounting holes yourself?

m05fastbackGT 11/10/15 12:35 PM

I have the firewall mounting bracket without the upgraded braided hoses.. I didn't want to drill holes in my firewall, so I just mounted the bracket to the existing mounting tabs in the plastic cowl cover at the firewall..

Here's my pic to illustrate how I mounted to the firewall without having to drill holes.. If you want, you can also mount behind the strut tower on the driver's side as well..
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/themust...e83beff52d.jpg


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/themust...22497945da.jpg


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/themust...0a0f7e9972.jpg

jarbear1988 12/16/15 09:53 PM

A thought I had... If my rear o2 sensors are shut off due to a tune why not find a fitting for that area and a fitting for where the pcv goes into the engine. Add a hose to connect it.

This is kind of how it's done on the drag cars I had so I don't see why that would work.

Any thoughts.

laserred38 12/17/15 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by jarbear1988
A thought I had... If my rear o2 sensors are shut off due to a tune why not find a fitting for that area and a fitting for where the pcv goes into the engine. Add a hose to connect it.

This is kind of how it's done on the drag cars I had so I don't see why that would work.

Any thoughts.

So...blow the blow-by out the exhaust? Could make for a very messy rear bumper, not to mention venting that crap into the air...

jarbear1988 12/17/15 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by laserred38 (Post 6958153)
So...blow the blow-by out the exhaust? Could make for a very messy rear bumper, not to mention venting that crap into the air...

In the drag car most of it is burnt up. Figured it'd be burnt up as well in the car. Granted a drag car get the exhaust a lot hotter than a dd would.

Springer200 12/17/15 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by jarbear1988 (Post 6958115)
A thought I had... If my rear o2 sensors are shut off due to a tune why not find a fitting for that area and a fitting for where the pcv goes into the engine. Add a hose to connect it.

This is kind of how it's done on the drag cars I had so I don't see why that would work.

Any thoughts.

Sounds like a bad idea. I would also be afraid that the exhaust pressure would create suction on the line & pull additional oil out of the engine.


On a drag car they probably benefit from added vacuum & are not concerned about the added loss of oil (the engine is not running for a long time), but on a daily driver, or even an occasional driver, the added oil loss could be potentially disastrous.

jarbear1988 12/17/15 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Springer200 (Post 6958176)
Sounds like a bad idea. I would also be afraid that the exhaust pressure would create suction on the line & pull additional oil out of the engine. On a drag car they probably benefit from added vacuum & are not concerned about the added loss of oil (the engine is not running for a long time), but on a daily driver, or even an occasional driver, the added oil loss could be potentially disastrous.

My understanding of them is they are put on an angel so that they do create a vacuum to pull all that out of the head. Granted again drag engine to dd


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