2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

My 5.0 on the Dyno at Livernois Motorsport

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Old 5/14/10 | 10:18 AM
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**** those rear wheels are either super close to the fender or sticking out a bit. You don't foresee any rubbing issues? Can they adjust the backspacing to tuck them in a bit or would the tires rub elsewhere?
Old 5/14/10 | 10:30 AM
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Old 5/14/10 | 10:40 AM
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He did somewhere, IIRC it was shocks/struts, panhard bar, springs, camber kit. Typical suspension swap out parts.



Stock still IIRC. Rehagen just did the suspension.
Thanks for the info... I am not really familiar with mustang suspension modding but camber kit?

How do you adjust the camber on a SRA car? Or do you just adjust the camber of the front wheels? Seems kinda goofy.
Old 5/14/10 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by elbowz11
Thanks for the info... I am not really familiar with mustang suspension modding but camber kit?

How do you adjust the camber on a SRA car? Or do you just adjust the camber of the front wheels? Seems kinda goofy.
I'm guessing it's for the front suspension. I'm not 100% familiar with the S197 suspension myself.
Old 5/14/10 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bpmurr
Yup Evo has the word's highest reading Mustang Dyno. There is a reason why they never answered the question about the roller weight on their dyno. It can be changed to fudge numbers.

You would think they'd want to report repeatable honest numbers. Everyone knows a Mustang Dyno reads lower if configured properly. Why mislead people?

Old 5/14/10 | 10:58 AM
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I'm guessing it's for the front suspension. I'm not 100% familiar with the S197 suspension myself.
Yeah i would think so too. Still dont really understand why you would adjust the front camber while not being able to do anything to the rear. Doing that seems like it would lead to some rather inconsistent and odd handling quirks.

I guess we wait for Stinger to chime in... or maybe the Rehagen guys?
Old 5/14/10 | 11:04 AM
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no camber adjustment on the rear solid axle
Old 5/14/10 | 11:05 AM
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Yeah i would think so too. Still dont really understand why you would adjust the front camber while not being able to do anything to the rear. Doing that seems like it would lead to some rather inconsistent and odd handling quirks.

I guess we wait for Stinger to chime in... or maybe the Rehagen guys?
Well, my Speed6 you can adjust the rear, but not the front. You could buy adjustable ball joints to allow the front to be adjusted. There should be some adjustment available, whether it be via an eccentric bolt or camber link on the axle, but I'm not real familiar with the SLA system and how those things can be tweaked. Aftermarket typically solves these problems.
Old 5/14/10 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by elbowz11
Yeah i would think so too. Still dont really understand why you would adjust the front camber while not being able to do anything to the rear. Doing that seems like it would lead to some rather inconsistent and odd handling quirks.

I guess we wait for Stinger to chime in... or maybe the Rehagen guys?
There is no camber adjustment in a solid rear axle, you get what you get. But, with a solid axle the camber is always the same on both sides unlike the front suspension where both wheels travel independently in their own suspension travel arcs.
Old 5/14/10 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Overboost
Well, my Speed6 you can adjust the rear, but not the front. You could buy adjustable ball joints to allow the front to be adjusted. There should be some adjustment available, whether it be via an eccentric bolt or camber link on the axle, but I'm not real familiar with the SLA system and how those things can be tweaked. Aftermarket typically solves these problems.
Are there lots of speed6 guys adjusting camber on the rear but not the front? If so did they experience any kind of weird handling traits or tire wear problems? I am really curious about this topic now, lol...

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There is no camber adjustment in a solid rear axle, you get what you get. But, with a solid axle the camber is always the same on both sides unlike the front suspension where both wheels travel independently in their own suspension travel arcs.
I understand the mechanics of a SRA car. My point is why would you adjust camber on the front two wheels when you cant do anything to the back? That has to be hell on a cars balance i would think. And like i said, it seems that would bring to the surface alot of weird handling quirks. Also your front and rear tires would wear at completely different rates and in different patterns. It's confusing to me but maybe the guys out there road racing there cars can clear this up.
Old 5/14/10 | 11:27 AM
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Are there lots of speed6 guys adjusting camber on the rear but not the front? If so did they experience any kind of weird handling traits or tire wear problems? I am really curious about this topic now, lol...
I didn't do the ABJ's, but I know you could get a lot of camber out of them (+/- 4 deg.). I ran mine with a set of H&Rs dropped at -1.5 on all 4 wheels. The front two just happened to fall right where I wanted them, and the car handled like it was on rails. You do have to be proactive on tire car though, as you want to make sure you're rotating them at every 5k or less. My summer wheels/tires got pretty chewed up through last years SCCA events, so I'm just using them until the 5.0 is ordered, then throwing an inexpensive set of all-seasons on it now (it's on stock springs again).

BTW, Shaun got the FR500S front camber kit.
Old 5/14/10 | 11:37 AM
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Look at Nascar cars, which are tube chassis cars, but have suspension like most SRA cars. Radical camber stuff, plus they **** the rear axle on some tracks. They're only turning left most of the time which allows for the radical settings.
Old 5/14/10 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by elbowz11
I understand the mechanics of a SRA car. My point is why would you adjust camber on the front two wheels when you cant do anything to the back? That has to be hell on a cars balance i would think. And like i said, it seems that would bring to the surface alot of weird handling quirks. Also your front and rear tires would wear at completely different rates and in different patterns. It's confusing to me but maybe the guys out there road racing there cars can clear this up.
The reason to adjust the camber on the front (adding negative camber) is because of the camber change as the wheel moves through its arc of travel, the rear wheels on a solid rear axle car don't get any camber change during suspension travel.
Old 5/14/10 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Overboost
I didn't do the ABJ's, but I know you could get a lot of camber out of them (+/- 4 deg.). I ran mine with a set of H&Rs dropped at -1.5 on all 4 wheels. The front two just happened to fall right where I wanted them, and the car handled like it was on rails. You do have to be proactive on tire car though, as you want to make sure you're rotating them at every 5k or less. My summer wheels/tires got pretty chewed up through last years SCCA events, so I'm just using them until the 5.0 is ordered, then throwing an inexpensive set of all-seasons on it now (it's on stock springs again).

BTW, Shaun got the FR500S front camber kit.
Your speed6 sounds like alot of fun. Thnaks for the information. Are you going to do some road racing in your 5.0 when you get it? Are you planning suspension mods as well? Like i said I'm not real familiar with the S197 platform and even less so when it comes to road racing. Trying to build up some know-how If i do get a 5.0 i am looking forward to hitting up some world class tracks out here

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The reason to adjust the camber on the front (adding negative camber) is because of the camber change as the wheel moves through its arc of travel, the rear wheels on a solid rear axle car don't get any camber change during suspension travel.
Not trying to be a dick but you really arent getting what i am trying to say. I know what camber is and why it is used. What i dont get is why it would be used on the front and not on the rear of a road racing car. A good road racing car should be balanced above all for predictable neutral handling. Camber on the front but not the rear would seem to upset balance. Though I am no expert... i am just fishing for information from people who do road race their stangs.
Old 5/14/10 | 01:20 PM
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The car has been lowered, the camber kit brings the front back in line with specs.
Old 5/14/10 | 01:23 PM
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The wheel looks wobbly at 1:23+ especially 1:30-1:43
Old 5/14/10 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by elbowz11
Your speed6 sounds like alot of fun. Thnaks for the information. Are you going to do some road racing in your 5.0 when you get it? Are you planning suspension mods as well? Like i said I'm not real familiar with the S197 platform and even less so when it comes to road racing. Trying to build up some know-how If i do get a 5.0 i am looking forward to hitting up some world class tracks out here



Not trying to be a dick but you really arent getting what i am trying to say. I know what camber is and why it is used. What i dont get is why it would be used on the front and not on the rear of a road racing car. A good road racing car should be balanced above all for predictable neutral handling. Camber on the front but not the rear would seem to upset balance. Though I am no expert... i am just fishing for information from people who do road race their stangs.
No problem. Most of the time the camber kit is just for bringing things back into reasonable spec for street driving, or the quick adjustment that OEM lacks.

I plan on doing some SCCA events this year, and maybe look into NASA and some open track events. I won't really drag the car much, if at all.

From what I've read today trying to brush up on the SLA, ltng is right. The rear axle keeps the rear suspension from having any arc, so the camber never changes. On the front, you have much more adjustment, and lowering the car changes the camber initially. Not a big deal, as I said earlier, aftermarket offers solutions and has camber plates to make quick adjustment for things like that.
Old 5/14/10 | 01:24 PM
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Stupid blackberry!

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Old 5/14/10 | 03:49 PM
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Shaun, your car looks awesome. It has confused the issue for me really now. I am going back and forth to leasing a BMW M3 or buying a Mustang. I like the advantages of leasing due to the fact I get the full benefits of the tax write off, but your Mustang makes a compelling case to buying.

Congrats man...she's a beaut. Do you know if those wheels will be available in another finish such as a bright silver paint?

Dave
Old 5/14/10 | 05:46 PM
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Hey guys thanks for the positive comments, I couldnt be more pleased with the car.
I see a lot of questions on the suspension so here is the low down:
FRPP 1.5" drop springs
FRPP Adjustable dampers
Steeda adjustable front sway bar
Maximum Motorsports caster/camber plate
Steeda Bump steer kit
Reahagen Racing Brake ducts
Steeda adjustable panhard bar
Reahagen Racing Chrome Moly rear lower control arms
Motol RBF 600 Brake fluid
This car is being prepped for NASA TT-A



caster camber kit is front only. its a solid rear axle so caber is fixed.
on track I run 3 degrees of negative camber but 3 on the street is beyond crazy, car would drive like hell and eat tires.



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