Pffft. I call Bull on this. Most of the Mustang guys on C5 were talking from a point of knowledge about the car that info have been released on. Even the 2010 was ahead of the camaro in some performance besides a straight line, and the C5 guys just stuck their fingers in their ears going lalalala.

What I also find funny is how all these guys claim sub 13 times, but yet a small venture to their own time slip thread tells quite a different story. Hell even looking at the slips from the C5Fest those times are not burning up a track. people who have decent knowledge have always said the Mustang WITH 3:73 GEARS AND A MANUAL should be a few ticks faster than a Camaro. Of course the answer always is...well put that on a Camaro...or nobody is going to order that...Well here are facts.

A. 3:73 gears are not offered from factory on a Camaro.
B. Dam near every order form I have seen from people who have ordered a Mustang v8 have ordered 3:73 gears.

I would def say its almost the norm among performance oriented people. In the end I do feel it will be a drivers race with the edge going towards a Mustang simply because of weight and gearing. Will just have to wait until they hit the streets and tracks to see what will really happen.

As far as C5 goes, well those guys just simply act if nothing on the planet is faster than a Camaro. When proven wrong they fall back on the "Well the Ls3 can take more mods!" argument. If you actually bring logic into the conversation that does not support the Camaro of course, you will be baned. That's the reputation that site has, and its well deserved.

 

I think the feeling over there is the 12.7 run didn't happen, ask and they will point you to the slowest they have heard the car ran.
also when a magazine review doesn't go their way it's "paid by ford"
when a magzine review goes their way it's "bout time these rags tell the truth"
Very delusional group of people over there, there is almost a zombie type feel.
creepy.

 

I really disagree, in fact here's an exact quote about the 2011 Mustang:

"GM will have to put a nearly 500hp mill in the existing SS to outrun this car, or around 460-470hp just to keep up with it."

From what I'm seeing that doesn't seem to be true, but time will tell.
I don't know, 8 sub-13 second times is impressive on a list of 30. Almost a third of the times are 12.x. The unofficial list also has DA corrected times, putting 13 runs into the 12.x area. Pretty impressive to me.

I never saw anyone of any value saying anything like that. Of course there are random members who say silly things, but you ignore those people. They exist on every forum.

I also absolutely agree with the bottom part of your post. I think it'll be a drivers race with the edge going to the Mustang.

I don't get that feeling. Plenty of cars are faster than the Camaro, but I do agree SOME people, not everyone, fall on that mod argument. Silly, silly. There will always be posters who post drivel, but I saw how you and Fdjizm posted and it certainly wasn't with respect. I'm not sure if you got tired of trying to correct every idiot who says something wrong (trust me, it gets tiring), or what, but it was quite obvious where you guys stood (Camaro=bad, Mustang=good).

 

Well I was on there before the camaro actually came out, browsing reading up.. I thought it was cool looking for a bit but they talked up the new camaro like it was going to be the next ferrari killer. when it came out, there were two recalls and serious quality control issues, band-aid fixes from GM as well as performance lower than they all talked about/expected (especially with the auto's). kind of made them and the car an easy target to poke some fun at.
then a bunch of people breaking output shafts using launch control etc.. it was good family fun I tell ya! lol

If they didn't talk it up like it was the end all car of this and next century I don't think most people would have been that hard on them.

The story over there is: Camaro > any car ever made ever ever no possible way any car is better, even better buil quality than bugatti.

^^^that's how you get negative attention.

 

All depends on the 60 foot he can get. 12.4? You aren't going to see faster MPH than Motortrend.

 

I find it funny how C5 totally ignores this quote from that article.

The blue Mustang they had on hand beat the Camaro in the 1/4 mile and braking. Those tires and gears really make a difference.

 

Ya think?

 

No, that was from the initial testing they did with the Mustang. It'd be the same as using the number that the Camaro got on the initial testing (13@110.9 MPH) for comparison against the Mustang. It'd be useless because they weren't done the same day.

EDIT: Also, the Mustang in this test had the 3.73 gears, so the tires make the difference.

 

 

That GT/CS had 3.55 gears.

 

They specifically talk about the 3.73 gears that the car has all throughout the article. They mention how it differs greatly from the feel of the Camaro due to this very fact. It's listed in their spec sheet as having 3.73 gears. What makes you say that it has 3.55 gears?

 

The box on the right seems to indicate 3.73 gears.

 

Bah bump that make them show you. I've bulled up on quite a few I knew would blow me away (Z06's, vipers etc) sure they blew me away but he it was fun watching them run. (Like the Gallardo I saw the other day, they are louder than I thought!)

(Mustang/Camaro) fans detest (Camaro/Mustangs) and will make excuses when the other side has a leg up. It's how the ball rolls. It's the same in that respect over here or over there. Before anyone here tries to dispute that ask yourself if you ever used the ;Wait till the 5.0, Where was the Camaro in 03-09, but with mods xxx is faster, But the interior, but the looks, but the (insert performance stat here), comparing sales numbers etc. Just because something get's one upped in one area (or even several) doesn't mean it always has or always will in everything else. More moderate muscle car fans are usually present in each as well.

Different cars optioned out run differently this was probably the heaviest Camaro (2SS with RS package) vs the heaviest Stang (Premium with CS package).

They seem about right in the test to me (save for the tires). 2 Premium V8 cars with the Visual enhancement packages. Wanna see where the discrepancy really came from? Read the acceleration section on the mustang where they said the tach couldn't keep up so they shifted early. On an engine that make it's HP using revs, not using them will mean slower times.

As good a comparo as any. Testing a V6 vs a V8 would be a apples to oranges or bogus. I bet more than one someone out there will be driving each and pull up next to each other as tested.

 

I come from driving an ancient crappy Honda. I literally have never owned an American car and I have no brand loyalty.

I eventually decided on the Mustang because the Camaro was bulky, had a hideous and cavernous interior, huge blind spots, and every time I saw the styling I got a bit more "over it". I was also considering a used Z4, a 370Z, a CLK, or yes, maybe even an Accord V6 Coupe.

The Mustang seemed to be the biggest bang for the buck and I had read good things about Ford quality in the last few years. The styling, while not as eye catching as the Camaro, seems like it would withstand the test of time more easily.

Does this make me a Mustang/Ford fanboy? I certainly hope not. I'll admit my political leanings also drove me to dislike GM's acceptance of bailout money, not to mention the fact they paid back the bailout money WITH TARP MONEY.

If it wasn't for the Camaro, I wouldn't be getting a sweet 308 horsepower V6 mustang. Ford would have sat on their *** and continued to peddle that 210 travesty.

 

IL is wack. 5.0 0-60 is 5.1 seconds? That's what C/D got for the V6 with performance package. InsideLine has no credibility to me.

 

Naa that's not fanboy material. Fanboys are the you know "Ford can only make power with a blower", etc type that aren't doing it in jest. Or those who point out that your barn is on fire when theirs already burnt down yet swear theirs is made of gold.

 

Wow guys really? If you really care about the 1320 you are not going to keep that stock BS 245 tire. They got ****ty times because there was no meat out back. Hell the Brembo brake pkg comes with small 255's that are not that great, the Camaro SS comes with 275's stock. So if MT got at 12.7 with 255's then the 2011 GT WILL run low 12's with cheaters.... Besides the journalist still said the Mustang was the better pony car. You guys are getting the Mustang because you like the Mustang. My suggestion if you don't want to lose a race at the stop light, then order some 555 R's right now and have the dealer put them on when you get there!

 

LOL I was looking on tirerack for fun and look what I found
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSe...&filterType=oe

$365 for the Brembo Brake pkg tire replacement... wow

 

I want you to go and find 1 post from me were I knock on a Camaro or even call it slow. I want you to find one thread I start where I say Mustang=Godly Camaro=Crap. I can tell you now not to waste your time because you will not. I have people call my car outright garbage and the mods there have done nothing....A few erased some of the more brazing threads but nothing happen to the posters.

I never disrespected anyone on that board. Its not my style. But you get plenty of their members who knock ANY other car brand on the regular. If you want respect, then show respect. That's how I do things. Even when I got silly PM's I never responded with talking crap about any owner car, or the Camaro in general. I am also not going to drink the kool aid and call the Camaro the greatest car ever made as well. I can easily show the posts I was ban on, and you need to ask yourself...ok..wtf ?

That is why I do not even post there anymore. I been quietly reading from time to time, and I still see the same nonsense from the same ol people all the time. Fdjizm sig says it all. drinking the kool aid. The C5 guys seriously believe that a Camaro is only a second slower than a GT500..That should say it all.

 

If your only metric is acceleration and terminal velocity, in every other catagory, the S-197 is alot more capable.

That said, a nice feature going for the Camaro is its user friendliness. That big ol' honk'n (for the the times) V8 is easier to get going, the 5.0 less so. Like the previous N/A 4v cars, a deft touch is required to get off the line and really extract the most out of the car.. To little and the car bogs, to much and the car spins like crazy. The Camaro on the other hand is more or less, mash the gas and go.