I haven't seen any production costs for the 5.0 versus the TT-6. The only comments I've read show it’s basically a wash. I can see Ford marketing the 5.0 above the TT-6 regardless of actual production costs.

My cunning theory, Ford will use the TT-6, I'm guessing it will have a 10 percent fuel economy advantage over the 5.0, to lure potential V-8 buyers in an attempt to boost CAFE numbers.

Two very important assumptions here are the fuel economy for the TT-6 will be better than the 5.0 and Ford will eat some profits to boost CAFE numbers.

I'm hoping we'll see something solid in the next six months. I was in the V-8 camp a year ago but with gas prices going thru the roof I’ll keep my options open.

 

10 percent is a lot.
TT is not the answer and end all to be all of fuel economy.

The problem is the base V6 takes care of the fuel economy, and the v8 will be fuel efficient. This engine will impress with all its variants. Power and Fuel Economy.
Again, does the price validate its existence in the car?
It will be a more expensive engine.

Are people willing to spend the extra cash (cause i highly doubt Ford will take the hit on that engine) for a couple extra MPG, and less HP?
I'm going to guess not...but that's just me thinkin out loud.

 

How is Ford "playing games" when all this "information" is nothing but RUMORS? None of this is official from Ford. It's all internet speculation and car magazine speculation. You're getting all worked up over stuff that is just a bunch of RUMORS???
Ford isn't forcing anyone to pay markups. Ford doesn't own the dealers. The dealers are the ones putting markups on cars. And nobody is "forcing" anyone to pay the markups. You either pay the mark ups or you don't.
Ford has not officially promised an Ecoboost Mustang. It's all RUMOR, from the internet and car mags. Really, you need to see the difference between RUMORS and official information from Ford. Don't hold the Ford responsible for RUMORS they had nothing to do with; RUMORS that bloggers and car mags start to get more readership.

 

Logistically, it makes sense to drop the TTV6 in the Mustang. Both V6 engines will be coming from the same location.
As for the V8, although Windsor is right next door, my source has told me that Ford would rather not deal with the Canadians.
Although there was an article not that long ago that said Windsor was going to get the new V8.

I am Pro-V8, but I think the Detroit 3 is going to make it very hard & expensive for us to buy one within the next 5 or so years.
I think the only cars to have a V8's after 2020 will be the Corvette and the top Mustang.

 

Ecoboost will eventually be in all Ford vehicles. The Magazines are just speculating on "when" and "which" vehicles will get them first.

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=27455

 

Yeah, it's now more expensive to build parts/engines/cars here now than before with the exchange rate being what it is.

Windsor made some 3v 4.6s before Romeo got ramped up.
Wondering if they will do the same this time, or have it full time (and what variation... truck or car..or both)

Just have to wait and see.

 

LOL!! Someone at Ford does read the responses at this particular website. Just making sure that there is a passionate response in support of the V6TT and I4T setups in the Mustang. Most responses are based on the same old tired argument about how great a V8 engine sounds.

So add some lime to the rim of your glass with my passionate post to offset the taste. If further refinement is needed, feel free to grab the salt shaker or ask the waitress to adhere it to the rim of your glass..

Enjoy!

 

That article says it will be in alot of Ford vehicles, but I don't see where it says ALL. Though I admit I just skimmed parts of it.

 

Ford corporate can control mark-ups. By doing nothing, they are allowing dealers to gouge customers.

 

As mustang enthusiasts...
We are SO a very small drop in a very large bucket.

Not that what we think/say as a whole community isn't looked at,
we just have to be realistic.

 

Exactly. And then there is the reality that the internet has proven itself to be anything but an accurate indicator of actual demand. The GTO and SSR are prime examples of this.

 

So which manufacturer controls markups?
Nissan can't control markups on the GTR.
BMW couldn't control markups on the Mini.

if these two manufacturers are prevented by law from telling dealers what to charge, why would Ford be any different?

 

Ford can easily control demand of vehicles. I've read of car companies saying that they would cut future allocations if they gouged customers.

I don't care either way, anyone paying a mark-up on a Ford Mustang is a moron. Like they say, a fool and their money are soon parted.

 

Sorry, but you're wrong about this.

One of the BIG problems with Ford is that Ford does not believe that you nor I are their customers. Instead Ford believes that their dealers are their customers, so they do things to make their dealers happy and really could care less if you and I are happy.

When Ford announces a model like the GT, GT-500, Bullitt, etc. and says that they will be limited production, they are doing that so their dealers will be able to sell them with ADMs.

 

“EcoBoost is meaningful because it can be applied across a wide variety of engine types in a range of vehicles, from small cars to large trucks – and it’s affordable,” said Derrick Kuzak, Ford’s group vice president of Global Product Development.

Ford is not going to exclude the Mustang(one of their best selling automobiles) from this technology. Its only a matter of time.

 

I think 10 percent is a resasonable estimate. As always, this is all fiction until the real numbers come out. I'm sure the 5.0 will be more efficent but I think it will be hard pressed to improve beyond 17/25 on fuel economy. I think the Ecoboost has a real shot at 19/28.

What's the current Stang's number? 17/26 for the 6 and 15/23 for the 8? The BMW 535 is 17/26 for the TT-6 and 15/22 for the V-8.

As far as engine cost estimates, how much more will a TT-6 cost than a standard six? $200, $2000, $6000? I'd guess less than $2000 for Ford per car. If the V-8 is cheaper, how much? $20, $200, $2000? I'd guess closer to $200 or a wash.

I'm guessing a lot of folks would pay $2000 for the 75 HP offered by the TT-6 if it gets around the same fuel economy. Not to mention minor tuning would put you past 400 HP.

Ford could sale the V-8 at premium for diehard V-8 fans. They would pay $2000 more for a 400 HP V-8 that might be cheaper for Ford to make. So Ford is actually overcharging $2200 for the V-8.

I could see Ford marketing and folks buying in this scenario. I could definiately see some opportunities for Ford and a TT-6 engine in the line.

 

I am curious to see if Ford can both build & sell a 350-400hp Mustang at the same cost as the competition.
Challenger R/T is starting around $30k and has 375hp. The rumored 400hp V8 Camaro is said to be between $30k-$35k.
If lowly Dodge can do it, why can't Ford? Chrysler is on life-support for crying out loud.

 

I doubt the Camaro will be that price. Bob Lutz has already stated the Camaro will be a premium/high end car. And will be priced higher than the competition.

I think the Camaro will be priced $3000 to $5000 more than the competition.

 

Still, even around $35k that is a good price for a 400hp car with IRS. I am already impressed with the Challenger, unfortunately its a "Dodge".

 

Oh yes, I forgot that Ford is inherently EVIL and bunch of liars, being founded by Satan himself, under the pseudonym Henry Ford. They NEVER consider the customer ultimately buying their product. They only care about the car dealership, their partner in "axis of evil", along with big oil and Emperor Palpatine.

Not like angelic Nissan, who are planning to build a GTR for every human being on earth so that there are plenty go to around and striking down any dealer that charges a markup with lightning bolts from heaven.

Not like wonderful green Toyota, which is sending angels down from heaven to prevent dealer markups on their gift to mankind, the Prius, which they give away free of charge because they are so concerned with saving the Earth.

Oh, wait....