2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

LCA relocation..didn't know

Old Mar 18, 2015 | 07:06 AM
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LCA relocation..didn't know

So i got my steeda relocation brackets for my LCA's.... i had no idea you had to weld them to the frame.... FYI for anyone looking to get them.
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Old Mar 18, 2015 | 03:48 PM
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BMR=No welding required.
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Old Mar 18, 2015 | 06:52 PM
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Here is what it says on the website:

This kit is a weld-in application for the S197 Mustang platform and is not recommended as a bolt in only application. Bolts are included for positioning to aid in welding but are not to be driven on. - See more at: http://www.steeda.com/steeda-mustang....Xa9kOgD3.dpuf
A bracket that is just bolted in will almost certainly back out or loosen ... causing larger issues.

Our relocation brackets require welding and have a wider range of adjustment. The welding requirement is what makes them very strong & not prone to failing.

After lowering my car i noticed that I had more wheel spin so i called up Steeda and they told me this would help correct my control arm geometry. I wasnt sure the details of it all but boy do they work!! So happy!!
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TJ

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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tj@steeda
Here is what it says on the website:



A bracket that is just bolted in will almost certainly back out or loosen ... causing larger issues.

Our relocation brackets require welding and have a wider range of adjustment. The welding requirement is what makes them very strong & not prone to failing.



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TJ
Can you explain how the BMR, Whiteline, and Ford Racing brackets will loosen over time. They all use existing holes that are used by the stock suspension, which to me means you are implying the stock suspension would do the same thing.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 03:05 PM
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They won't loosen up over time. Shame on Steeda for making those claims.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0
They won't loosen up over time. Shame on Steeda for making those claims.
That is what I would think, if they were set up like the Whiteline, BMR, or FRPP then they shouldn't.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Brandon302
Can you explain how the BMR, Whiteline, and Ford Racing brackets will loosen over time. They all use existing holes that are used by the stock suspension, which to me means you are implying the stock suspension would do the same thing.
Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0
They won't loosen up over time. Shame on Steeda for making those claims.
Originally Posted by Brandon302
That is what I would think, if they were set up like the Whiteline, BMR, or FRPP then they shouldn't.
I agree. I was looking into this at some point in the future.

TJ or anyone at Steeda...your retort, please?
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 03:54 PM
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Check the website description of one of the competitors involved in the discussion above ... welding is mentioned in one way or another.

If you are launching hard enough, they do let go like we have seen it on competitor products ... it sends the tires into the body of the car causing very expensive damage.

Here is an example of what could happen, overtime, if you are launching aggressively:



The choice is in your hands.

Best Regards,

TJ

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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tj@steeda
Check the website description of one of the competitors involved in the discussion above ... welding is mentioned in one way or another.

If you are launching hard enough, they do let go like we have seen it on competitor products ... it sends the tires into the body of the car causing very expensive damage.

Here is an example of what could happen, overtime, if you are launching aggressively:



The choice is in your hands.

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TJ
Launching hard I have heard many have broken when not welded, however is there any proof this has ever happened with a car on the street or a road course?
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 06:04 PM
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I don't have the stats on failures, when they happened, etc.

We have several former & current racers that are on our staff that develop, engineer, design & manufacturer our parts ... for both street & the track.

Every company has their own process & how they make their parts ... this how we chose to do ours ... which we feel is the strongest & best on the market.

If you weld them & it alleviates any concern that they will fail on the street ... then isn't an investment worth making?

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TJ
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 07:05 PM
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I just put a set of BMR LCA relocation brackets on today.
I have a very hard time beleaving these would break off!
Maybe if all the hardware was loose, but any one that is modifying there car and driving it very aggressively should routinely be nut and bolting there car!
I have raced vehicles in many forms for over 15 years, and all race cars need to be nut and bolted as prep before each race.
Weekend racing your street car should be treated and prepped the same way!
I did not want to weld on brackets because when I sell this car in a few years I will put it back to stock first.
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Old Mar 20, 2015 | 08:03 PM
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According to BMR their control arm relocation brackets were redesigned in 2010. Since the redesign they claim no failures with them bolted in. I have 100% confidence with the BMR units bolted in on my GT500. Everything fit great and all the bolts were torqued by me to the recommended specs.


Right from BMR's website......

Correct the suspension geometry in your S197 Mustang with Control Arm Relocation Brackets from BMR Suspension.

Manufactured from 3/16 CNC laser cut steel plates, these bolt-in brackets provide three new mounting locations for correcting your rear suspensions anti-squat characteristics. Additionally, this newly designed bracket captures existing factory holes in three locations per side, preventing counter-rotation and eliminating the necessity for welding in all but extreme applications.

The BMR Control Arm Relocation Brackets correct the vehicles instantaneous center, improving drag strip traction and handling traction during corner exiting. BMR can proudly claim that these Relocation Brackets are the only brackets in the industry that have been 1.1 sixty-foot times, BOLTED-ON! We also have many 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4 sixty-foot combinations running these same pieces.

http://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=p...&productid=170

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Old Mar 21, 2015 | 07:34 AM
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And that is the great thing about the Mustang market ... there are many different companies & products that are offered!

We decided to do our unit with a weld in application ... & other companies decided to go the other way.

With the weld in application ... it eliminates the concern of launching hard & possibly causing an issue.

Best Regards,

TJ
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Old Mar 21, 2015 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tj@steeda
And that is the great thing about the Mustang market ... there are many different companies & products that are offered! We decided to do our unit with a weld in application ... & other companies decided to go the other way. With the weld in application ... it eliminates the concern of launching hard & possibly causing an issue. Best Regards, TJ
Fair answer. Thanks TJ.

Bottom line, if folks want a weld in solution, go with steeda. If folks want a bolt on solution, go with others. Benefits and cons of each are discussed above.

Thanks for the input folks. Good stuff to know.
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Old Mar 21, 2015 | 07:51 AM
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... But we prefer you go with Steeda, lol

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TJ
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Old Mar 21, 2015 | 10:23 AM
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But what about us that can't even use Elmer's glue much less weld?
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Old Mar 21, 2015 | 11:40 AM
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Have a shop do it. Any exhaust shop can do that for you for a few bucks and 30 minutes of time.
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Old Mar 21, 2015 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tj@steeda
And that is the great thing about the Mustang market ... there are many different companies & products that are offered!

We decided to do our unit with a weld in application ... & other companies decided to go the other way.

With the weld in application ... it eliminates the concern of launching hard & possibly causing an issue.

Best Regards,

TJ
More than one way to skin a cat.
Steeda is a good design that requires welding to ensure it won't shift. The BMR brackets have 2 additional bolt points per bracket that eliminate the need for welding.
Both are quality parts.
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Old Mar 22, 2015 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tj@steeda
And that is the great thing about the Mustang market ... there are many different companies & products that are offered!

We decided to do our unit with a weld in application ... & other companies decided to go the other way.

With the weld in application ... it eliminates the concern of launching hard & possibly causing an issue.

Best Regards,

TJ
And when you weld you are ruining the temper of the metal. You're pulling carbon up to the surface of the steel, and You're making the steel more prone to corrosion. Additionally all of the anti-corriosn coatings that Ford uses during manufacturing get burned away.

All that said. I like the BMR setup. It's bolted in and I don't have to concern myself with long term frame corrosion.

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Old Mar 23, 2015 | 05:50 AM
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Hello,

Our engineers & designers do a lot of work to customize these pieces without sacrificing the integrity of the vehicle.

The factory rear ends are not painted and start to rust rather quickly.

The competition says anything faster than 1.7 Sixty Foot ... to weld them on your car.

Therefore we designed a weld in only style for performance and safety.

Once again ... every company is different & the choice is in your hands.

Best Regards,

TJ

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