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Lack of Gauges – Shock and Disappointment

Old Apr 23, 2013 | 03:51 PM
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Lack of Gauges – Shock and Disappointment

I picked up my 2014 Track Pack & Recarro GT this past Saturday after much anticipation. I’ve been contemplating one of these cars since 2012 and almost pulled the trigger on a Boss last year.

This model year began with the great discounts available from Ford I decided to go ahead and order what I wanted. I was looking in February when the 2014’s just came out. I even read a number of the documents available online including this one, below, which highlights the changes for 2014. Much to my surprise the Track Apps was indicated as now standard on the base GT. This really spurred me to order a ’14 base instead of pick up an on-the-lot 2013 premium, which would likely not have the track pack or recarros. At the time even much of more subtle details on the official web pages weren’t updated. I specifically remember trying to determine of the Track Apps was indeed on the base GT or Premium only and didn’t find an answer other than this pdf.

I made my decision to order and finally placed the order in early March. When I picked my car up I thought it was great, with all the excitement it looked perfect. It wasn’t until yesterday after reading the manual and trying to figure out what 5-way selector button it was indicating for the Apps that I realized I didn’t have Track Apps! ARRGGGG! I’m sure I’m not the first, a big mistake on my part (see below links).

However, not only that I realized my car doesn’t have ANY real critical gauges. What a huge, and I mean HUGE, disappointment. I don’t really care as much about the Apps performance stuff but lacking any real gauges is a major issue. A track pack car with no gauges? Are you kidding me?

-Tach and speedo? Sure
- oil temp? No.
-oil pressure? No.
-real water temp? No, just a dummy gauge.
-volt meter? No.

Anyway, I suppose this was just a rant. I’m quite disappointed as you may be able to tell. Sure I could add an aftermarket AC Vent gauge pod (Rousch) or some ricer type A-pillar pod, but these won’t look right for me. The car is brand new and I don’t want to just tack those on and have something nowhere near my tastes for a brand new car.

Anyone else experience this? I was planning on keeping this car for 10 years, driving the hell out of it, and tweaking the suspension along the way but not doing something like this. This lack of basic gauges is absurd in my book.

Well, rehashing all of this for this post I think I ended finding part of my problem. It seems I didn’t pay the attention I should have. I used these documents https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...9/#post6480334
Instead of these
https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...9/#post6480334
Of course I just NOW saw what I highlighted at the bottom of page 1….
That explains the Track Apps, but the lack of real, basic gauges is causing a bit of a sting. Not something I noticed on a test drive.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 04:03 PM
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Do the cars without track apps still have the sensors and the software to display them is just not 'turned on'? If so there may be a way to activate it
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by y5e06
I picked up my 2014 Track Pack & Recarro GT this past Saturday after much anticipation. I’ve been contemplating one of these cars since 2012 and almost pulled the trigger on a Boss last year.

This model year began with the great discounts available from Ford I decided to go ahead and order what I wanted. I was looking in February when the 2014’s just came out. I even read a number of the documents available online including this one, below, which highlights the changes for 2014. Much to my surprise the Track Apps was indicated as now standard on the base GT. This really spurred me to order a ’14 base instead of pick up an on-the-lot 2013 premium, which would likely not have the track pack or recarros. At the time even much of more subtle details on the official web pages weren’t updated. I specifically remember trying to determine of the Track Apps was indeed on the base GT or Premium only and didn’t find an answer other than this pdf.

I made my decision to order and finally placed the order in early March. When I picked my car up I thought it was great, with all the excitement it looked perfect. It wasn’t until yesterday after reading the manual and trying to figure out what 5-way selector button it was indicating for the Apps that I realized I didn’t have Track Apps! ARRGGGG! I’m sure I’m not the first, a big mistake on my part (see below links).

However, not only that I realized my car doesn’t have ANY real critical gauges. What a huge, and I mean HUGE, disappointment. I don’t really care as much about the Apps performance stuff but lacking any real gauges is a major issue. A track pack car with no gauges? Are you kidding me?

-Tach and speedo? Sure
- oil temp? No.
-oil pressure? No.
-real water temp? No, just a dummy gauge.
-volt meter? No.

Anyway, I suppose this was just a rant. I’m quite disappointed as you may be able to tell. Sure I could add an aftermarket AC Vent gauge pod (Rousch) or some ricer type A-pillar pod, but these won’t look right for me. The car is brand new and I don’t want to just tack those on and have something nowhere near my tastes for a brand new car.

Anyone else experience this? I was planning on keeping this car for 10 years, driving the hell out of it, and tweaking the suspension along the way but not doing something like this. This lack of basic gauges is absurd in my book.

Well, rehashing all of this for this post I think I ended finding part of my problem. It seems I didn’t pay the attention I should have. I used these documents https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...9/#post6480334
Instead of these
https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...9/#post6480334
Of course I just NOW saw what I highlighted at the bottom of page 1….
That explains the Track Apps, but the lack of real, basic gauges is causing a bit of a sting. Not something I noticed on a test drive.
I'm confused? Both docs appear the same. Lots of things I read as "Standard on GT" is misleading. What am I missing?
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by y5e06
I picked up my 2014 Track Pack & Recarro GT this past Saturday after much anticipation. I’ve been contemplating one of these cars since 2012 and almost pulled the trigger on a Boss last year.

This model year began with the great discounts available from Ford I decided to go ahead and order what I wanted. I was looking in February when the 2014’s just came out. I even read a number of the documents available online including this one, below, which highlights the changes for 2014. Much to my surprise the Track Apps was indicated as now standard on the base GT. This really spurred me to order a ’14 base instead of pick up an on-the-lot 2013 premium, which would likely not have the track pack or recarros. At the time even much of more subtle details on the official web pages weren’t updated. I specifically remember trying to determine of the Track Apps was indeed on the base GT or Premium only and didn’t find an answer other than this pdf.

I made my decision to order and finally placed the order in early March. When I picked my car up I thought it was great, with all the excitement it looked perfect. It wasn’t until yesterday after reading the manual and trying to figure out what 5-way selector button it was indicating for the Apps that I realized I didn’t have Track Apps! ARRGGGG! I’m sure I’m not the first, a big mistake on my part (see below links).

However, not only that I realized my car doesn’t have ANY real critical gauges. What a huge, and I mean HUGE, disappointment. I don’t really care as much about the Apps performance stuff but lacking any real gauges is a major issue. A track pack car with no gauges? Are you kidding me?

-Tach and speedo? Sure
- oil temp? No.
-oil pressure? No.
-real water temp? No, just a dummy gauge.
-volt meter? No.

Anyway, I suppose this was just a rant. I’m quite disappointed as you may be able to tell. Sure I could add an aftermarket AC Vent gauge pod (Rousch) or some ricer type A-pillar pod, but these won’t look right for me. The car is brand new and I don’t want to just tack those on and have something nowhere near my tastes for a brand new car.

Anyone else experience this? I was planning on keeping this car for 10 years, driving the hell out of it, and tweaking the suspension along the way but not doing something like this. This lack of basic gauges is absurd in my book.

Well, rehashing all of this for this post I think I ended finding part of my problem. It seems I didn’t pay the attention I should have. I used these documents https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...9/#post6480334
Instead of these
https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...9/#post6480334
Of course I just NOW saw what I highlighted at the bottom of page 1….
That explains the Track Apps, but the lack of real, basic gauges is causing a bit of a sting. Not something I noticed on a test drive.
I feel your pain although Ford has not used real gauges for quite some time they're all fake gauges. Biggest reason for not using real gauges is because they got so many complaints because the needles actually moved showing you accurate data for instance pulling up to a stoplight and the oil pressure may fall a bit do to the motor not spinning the oil pump as fast people got worried and complain so ford took the gauge out and put in a dumb gauge's, OIL and Temp gauges are both fake.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 04:45 PM
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Press the gas to the floor and whatever gauge you would be looking at you soon won't be! Trust me
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 04:48 PM
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Yeah but you got the best color!
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 05:12 PM
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Yeah but you got the best color!
You looked at the wrong post? It shows he got sterling gray.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 05:22 PM
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Not that this helps but I have read of people adding Track Apps. Sounded expensive but apparently can be done. My dealer could not tell me if my Premium came with illuminated door sill plates until the car arrived. Lots of inaccurate and conflicting data out there. And you did get the best color!
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 05:44 PM
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-Tach and speedo? Sure
- oil temp? No.
-oil pressure? No.
-real water temp? No, just a dummy gauge.
-volt meter? No.


It wasn’t until yesterday after reading the manual and trying to figure out what 5-way selector button it was indicating for the Apps that I realized I didn’t have Track Apps!
Interesting. I just put in the 2013 premium cluster into my 2012.

You have the 3-way selector, I assume then? No LCD screen in the middle?

I am quite certain that if you put in a cluster with the screen, you will have track apps and all the guages it displays in the screen. In my car, I have track apps and the guages come up, but the cluster is not recognizing the signals being sent from the PCM, so they are 'dead' until I can fix that. In your case, your PCM is sending the proper signals that a premium cluster would read them. Swapping clusters would be pretty easy. You'll just need the steering wheel switch as well. Wiring should all be there.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 06:08 PM
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This was my concerns when shopping as well, however regardless of what some of the docs stated I did my home work to realize the 4" screen that holds track apps, car settings, mileage, gauges etc were only on premiums. All V6 and GT premiums have this package regardless of being any other flavor (for V6 being Pony, Performance etc editions) and GT's being California Specials, Track pack etc. Base Mustangs do not have this feature at all......
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jim010
Interesting. I just put in the 2013 premium cluster into my 2012.

You have the 3-way selector, I assume then? No LCD screen in the middle?

I am quite certain that if you put in a cluster with the screen, you will have track apps and all the guages it displays in the screen. In my car, I have track apps and the guages come up, but the cluster is not recognizing the signals being sent from the PCM, so they are 'dead' until I can fix that. In your case, your PCM is sending the proper signals that a premium cluster would read them. Swapping clusters would be pretty easy. You'll just need the steering wheel switch as well. Wiring should all be there.
This. Probably just needs a new cluster
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 07:06 PM
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I must be old. I think added on gauges are awesome when done correctly and tastefully. A-pillar gauges look great and intimidating. The Roush vent gauges are sleek! Heck, I still have MUCH love for 99-04 Saleen twin gauge pod.

These are mods. Start thinking about them as just that. Hopefully the first of many. You may get "the bug" in the process...

Congrats on your new car.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 09:21 PM
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This gauge swap idea is an interesting development (to me)
since i have the type 1 gauges and coresponding wheel switches, i can just remove the current switches and replace with the 5way on my original wheel?
i'm up for that if it is indeed that easy...
makes the car even more "boss lite" like...
even my work buddys new beetle has b etter gauges

if anyone has more first hand info on the swap confirming functionality I would like to hear it.
i searched some before but there wasnt much info for 13/14 as most was just questions in 11/12 retrofit

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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by y5e06

However, not only that I realized my car doesn’t have ANY real critical gauges. What a huge, and I mean HUGE, disappointment. I don’t really care as much about the Apps performance stuff but lacking any real gauges is a major issue. A track pack car with no gauges? Are you kidding me?

-Tach and speedo? Sure
- oil temp? No.
-oil pressure? No.
-real water temp? No, just a dummy gauge.
-volt meter? No.

Anyway, I suppose this was just a rant. I’m quite disappointed as you may be able to tell. Sure I could add an aftermarket AC Vent gauge pod (Rousch) or some ricer type A-pillar pod, but these won’t look right for me. The car is brand new and I don’t want to just tack those on and have something nowhere near my tastes for a brand new car.

This lack of basic gauges is absurd in my book.

ighted at the bottom of page 1….
That explains the Track Apps, but the lack of real, basic gauges is causing a bit of a sting. Not something I noticed on a test drive.
Do you have experience in another performance car that had these gauges? I am not familiar with many recent vehicles that would have them for the reason posted above (general driving public would be alarmed at moving gauges).

What information do you think is crucial for monitoring?
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 09:50 PM
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Have you gone back to the dealer to discuss this?
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by y5e06
This gauge swap idea is an interesting development (to me)
since i have the type 1 gauges and coresponding wheel switches, i can just remove the current switches and replace with the 5way on my original wheel?
i'm up for that if it is indeed that easy...
makes the car even more "boss lite" like...
even my work buddys new beetle has b etter gauges

if anyone has more first hand info on the swap confirming functionality I would like to hear it.
i searched some before but there wasnt much info for 13/14 as most was just questions in 11/12 retrofit
According to my 2013 wiring diagrams, the wiring for the 3 way switch is the same as for the 5 way switch. Both only use 2 wires, and to the same pins. Cruise is the same, too. Cluster wiring is also the same.

What you need to do is see if the dealer will order you a premium cluster and take your old one as a core charge. Otherwise, you will need to buy a cluster from a wrecked car as I did. Now I can't guarantee that the PCM will communicate with your cluster, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't. As far as I know, the PCM programming is the same between a premium and base. If it is the same, then it is plug and play.

If you get a used cluster, you will have to take it to the dealer to have them program PATS so you can start your car with the new cluster. For mileage you will have to send it to United Radio in New Jersey. They charge $85, I think.

As I am trying to get this to work (so far ok) in my 2012, I am not looking into doing this for a 2013/14. This is as far as I can help you. I imagine it will be no different from the 2005-09 base upgrading to the MyColor cluster (which I did as well to my 05)
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Old Apr 24, 2013 | 08:14 AM
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Reading this, you bought a base GT expecting Track Apps, but didn't get them. It sucks, but that's how they package it.

Simple way to look at it; cloth cars are base, Leather/suede are Premium (or Boss if suede).

Swapping a cluster is your best bet, if you feel like taking the time to do that.
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Old Apr 24, 2013 | 08:42 AM
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I'm still waiting on some of the tuner companies to start creating new gauges for the LCD. There are tons of extra read outs in engineering mode that could be taken advantage of.
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Old Apr 24, 2013 | 09:50 AM
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I'm still waiting on some of the tuner companies to start creating new gauges for the LCD. There are tons of extra read outs in engineering mode that could be taken advantage of.
I've noticed that too.
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Old Apr 24, 2013 | 09:56 AM
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I'm still waiting on some of the tuner companies to start creating new gauges for the LCD. There are tons of extra read outs in engineering mode that could be taken advantage of.
I'd love to see that. Custom load screens, gauge faces, etc. wouldn't be too far out either.
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