goesfast

Indeed, you are correct. Should be up and running pretty soon (within two years). And you'll get your 5.0 liter with 400hp, but not in the base GT. Think of it. What hp is a Boss or Mach 1 to yield? 450-500hp? Doubtful. The GT500 will be out of production in order for that to happen, which may just be the case. But to go backwards to go forwards is odd.

mjbarnet

Kevin is very reliable, and I doubt Ford would pay Shelby and NOT have a GT500,... although the gov does pay farmers not to plant their fields.

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...highlight=2012

Boomer

Ford can totally afford to have a 400hp GT with what the GT500 will have in 2011+

There's a 200hp (on paper) difference right now, which most people think the gap is too large.
It'll be somewhat shortened.

Plus there have been no real significant SE's this generation in comparison to the previous.
(by this I mean, no SE with its own engine) and you probably won't see that at the plant.
From what I can remember the reason we didn't get any was because of how many engine variations the plant (AAI) could handle at a given time (3 for the mustang) and couldn't handle a 4th.

I DO see a 360hp 5.0 in the future (F150)

As a sidenote: Four seems to hint at the 400hp being on 91
Ford will more than likely be using the (like on the bullitt and not sure if confirmed for the 08/09s as well... could be wrong on that) ability to adapt to the octane being used.
So running 87 will work, but will likely degrade the performance.

jsaylor

I'm with you. Honestly, with a 400hp Mustang GT there simply wont be as much reason for a mid level SE sporting a power level that splits the difference between the GT500 and GT anymore.....even with the GT500 climbing in hp. For those not interested in the near earth orbit levels of performance a GT500 brings to the table a 400hp Mustang GT should do quite nicely. Don't get me wrong as I can envision a mid level Mustang model, I just don't expect such a models reason for being to be a unique powerplant this go round but would, instead, expect something more like a GT based Boss 302 model that came with only a mild increase in hp but a vast improvement in handling and braking.

SuperSugeKnight

A couple things can happen. The SE doesn't have to have over 400hp, it could have less. If the GT does get 400hp there will be a 100+hp difference between the V6 and GT. An SE could split the diff, say a Shelby GT350 with the TT 3.5 V6 with road race suspension? It'll sell because of the Shelby name and it's different. Also the Shelby GT and Bullitt didn't have much power difference over the GT. They could make a 415hp Boss 302 with styling and suspension mods. Maybe light weight carbon fiber hood and trunk to cut weight down. What I'm getting at is you don't need to give a car more hp to give it better performance. I agree with you jsaylor.

The SN-95 era had the best variety of engines in the modern fuel injected era of the Mustang. With 4 unique engines. But sadly those days are over.

jsaylor

I'm with you. I too have wondered if the SE focus this time around might be partially, or even primarily, on sub GT level Mustangs bridging the gap between the GT and the much less powerful base V6 models. And personally I would be just fine with this would be just one more way for the Mustang to bring muscle to the masses,

GTJOHN

Heck, the 2011MY will be out within two years.
I have it stated on one of my older post, but I believe my source told me the GDI V8 was scheduled for a February 2010 release.

goesfast

Yup, that's when it's supposed to arrive. Be ready..................

SuperSugeKnight

Boss motor rated at 380hp. Sources say however, Ford might be sandbagging.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/10/l...s-f150-raptor/

hi5.0

I hope so. "HEMI", make way for The Boss! LOL'd at the last comment about Toyota!

Moosetang

Have to remember that the 6.2 BOSS/'cane/whatever is tuned for Torque and lots of it. That said, yeah they're also sandbagging

fastmover05

I dont belive that ford would put out a boss thats less than capable of going head to head with the camaro or challenger. The gt500 can but its not really a main strem car (as in the gt or 6cy models" Especially since the new v6 camaro will most likely be able to take the gt. Ill wait and see what kind of engine we will get in the BOSS (assuming we get one). I think alot of speculation about a smaller less able BOSS is killing the buzz for me.

Wolfsburg

I was really hoping the 5.0 would be in the 2010 MY (starting in Spring 2009). Why the wait until February 2010? Is it simply a matter of "it's just not ready yet" or would there be a marketing reason for the delay?

jsaylor

I've heard this before and I still don't get it. How is a 3800lb car with a 305hp V6 (and that is the best case hp scenario) with about 250lb ft of torque going to take even the existing 300hp Mustang GT which weighs about 300lb less, makes virtually identical hp, and packs about 50lb-ft more torque the the Chevy? This statement makes no sense on it's face.

fastmover05

Yeah ive heard alot of different scenarios. Looking at the weight issues the camaro will have, (although the V6 will be lighter) sil doesnt seem to be aletoake a gt stock (yes i realize imcontradictingmyself) but with a CAI or a fw enginemodsitwould. And who knows a dealer acingpackage could make it more lethal right of the lot. In any case the 6cy camaro will be amatch for the current gt and its not acceptable that a future gt or boss will be in the same ballpark. No way will ford make a mistake like that. Especily since they will have a few yearsto watch the competition before releasing the actuall production numbers.

V10

Have you checked your calender lately?
The 2010 Mustang is due in about ONE year !

SuperSugeKnight

If the 2009 MY is really shortend for the Mustang and if all rumors of early debut are true, then we have 10 months until the 2010 comes out. Feb '09 if I'm not mistaken.

bob

Thats if the 6 cyl Camaro is in the same ballpark weight wise as the GT, if the F5 V8 car comes in anything close to the G8 in weight, I'm reasonably sure the 6 cyl F5 will have trouble out running a GT. Especially a base GT which comes in several pounds lighter than the loaded model (under 3500).

05fordgt

I read over on BON a while back, that the Boss motor was making 425hp on the engine stand in the factory!!! So, if someone posted 380hp, that is a BIG case of sandbagging!! Just remember, Ford has always under-rated their hi-horsepwer motors. The Ford GT motor was rated at 550hp? SURE! Owners got their stock GT's dyno'ed at over 600 hp to the tires!! My dad's frined put his on the dyno...624!! So I wouldn't take the 380hp rumor too serious!!!

SuperSugeKnight

True. However the Raptor is a HiPo truck. Maybe 380hp is for the mainstream F-150 and 425hp is for the Raptor. But like you said, knowing Ford, 380 is really 400 and 425 is really 445. Like the '03 Cobra, 390hp was really 420hp.