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Old 12/19/09, 03:41 PM
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How much will I feel the extra 100hp and torque?

Currently have the 2010 GT pushing 315 horse and will trade it in for the 412 hp 2011 GT next year. Question is how much difference will I feel the extra 100 hp and extra 75# of torque? The 5.0L makes the 412hp @ 6500 rpm. I don't usually visit that high of an rpm even when I am just playing around. In other words what kind of seat of the pants feeling will the extra 100 hp make in day to day "spritied" driving?

What about stoplight to stoplight? Will the extra torque really be felt alot? No one has posted 0 -60 times for the 5.0, the 4.6 did it in around 4.9 - 5.2 depending on the report. I would assume the 5.0 would be not faster than .5 second?

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Put a 100shot of nitrous on your car and set the window for 4000-6000RPM
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Originally Posted by jocatch
Currently have the 2010 GT pushing 315 horse and will trade it in for the 412 hp 2011 GT next year. Question is how much difference will I feel the extra 100 hp and extra 75# of torque? The 5.0L makes the 412hp @ 6500 rpm. I don't usually visit that high of an rpm even when I am just playing around. In other words what kind of seat of the pants feeling will the extra 100 hp make in day to day "spritied" driving?

What about stoplight to stoplight? Will the extra torque really be felt alot? No one has posted 0 -60 times for the 5.0, the 4.6 did it in around 4.9 - 5.2 depending on the report. I would assume the 5.0 would be not faster than .5 second?

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Oh, you'll notice it.
Test drive a Roush 427R 435hp 400tq.
granted it's 23+ horse and 10 more torque. but it peaks at 6450 RPM (so very similar) and the tq at 3750. I haven't read where the peak tq number is on the 5.0 yet?
But generally speaking... you'll get the idea...
Check out the motortrend on it...

Actually that's what I may just bolt onto my 2010. We shall see...

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Originally Posted by jocatch
Currently have the 2010 GT pushing 315 horse and will trade it in for the 412 hp 2011 GT next year. Question is how much difference will I feel the extra 100 hp and extra 75# of torque? The 5.0L makes the 412hp @ 6500 rpm. I don't usually visit that high of an rpm even when I am just playing around. In other words what kind of seat of the pants feeling will the extra 100 hp make in day to day "spritied" driving?

What about stoplight to stoplight? Will the extra torque really be felt alot? No one has posted 0 -60 times for the 5.0, the 4.6 did it in around 4.9 - 5.2 depending on the report. I would assume the 5.0 would be not faster than .5 second?

Joe
It should be quite noticable. On my 06 when I went from stock to the 400hp Whipple you could really feel a difference in the entire powerband. I picked up a full second in the 1/4 mile and 8 mph (with drag radials). But when I went to the 500hp Whipple that's where the real fun began.
I think some sticky tires will be critical to get it to hook up. Otherwise you won't see the full potential of the extra power.
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It will be a good second faster to the 1/4 than a stock 05-10. You will feel it for sure.
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I would guess a 12.8 @ 110 on a totally stock, well driven car, on a sticky track in cool air. Add drag radials, 12.5.
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Originally Posted by 2010MustangGT
Oh, you'll notice it.
Test drive a Roush 427R 435hp 400tq.
granted it's 23+ horse and 10 more torque. but it peaks at 6450 RPM (so very similar) and the tq at 3750. I haven't read where the peak tq number is on the 5.0 yet?
But generally speaking... you'll get the idea...
Check out the motortrend on it...

Actually that's what I may just bolt onto my 2010. We shall see...
I know you said "generally speaking," so you've covered what I'm going to say, but I'll say it anyway. I don't think you can really compare the driving (read: engine) characteristics of a roots-supercharged Roush 427R to the upcoming, naturally-aspirated Coyote. Granted, the peak numbers are similar, but the Roush 427R, again augmented with a Roushcharger (Eaton M90), makes its torque almost immediately off-idle. I think Ford has taken great measures to maximize their upcoming Mustang GT engines' low-end torque, but it won't be anything like the immediate rush of torque from a PD supercharger.
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Originally Posted by jocatch
Currently have the 2010 GT pushing 315 horse and will trade it in for the 412 hp 2011 GT next year. Question is how much difference will I feel the extra 100 hp and extra 75# of torque? The 5.0L makes the 412hp @ 6500 rpm. I don't usually visit that high of an rpm even when I am just playing around. In other words what kind of seat of the pants feeling will the extra 100 hp make in day to day "spritied" driving?

What about stoplight to stoplight? Will the extra torque really be felt alot? No one has posted 0 -60 times for the 5.0, the 4.6 did it in around 4.9 - 5.2 depending on the report. I would assume the 5.0 would be not faster than .5 second?

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I think my '07 GT might help in your comparison. It makes about 455hp/380tq at the flywheel. Peak torque is up higher in my car (over 5K rpm's), but I make peak power at my redline of 6,400 rpm's (the '11's peak hp is at 6,500 rpm's). So, a little more hp, but about the same tq as the new '11 5.0L. You can read my drag strip info in my signature, but here's a few real world tidbits that might interest you...

0-60 mph in 3.7 seconds (drag radials), which is about 1.4 seconds quicker than stock.
0-100 mph in 9.9 seconds (drag radials), which is about 4 whole seconds quicker than stock.

Around town, the extra power in my GT is very noticable, and out on the highway it is insanely quicker. The 11's extra 97hp & 65tq over a '10 should be quite entertaining, especially to those that have never owned a 12 second car before.

I'm predicting that the '11 GT with manual trans and 3.73 gears will be good for 12.5's @ 110 mph in the 1/4 mile, just like 200mphcobra said. The automatic should be good for 12.8's @ 108 mph. I'm basing this on calculations that I made assuming a 412hp and a race weight (with driver) of 3,750 lbs (and drag radials, of course).

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To answer the original question succinctly:

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That sounds pretty spot on, I'm going to hate the new 5.0 guys once they start modding. Imagine high 11's with bolt ons.
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You can feel a tune on an 07 GT. Do the math.
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Originally Posted by eci
You can feel a tune on an 07 GT. Do the math.
So true, and that's only 25-30 hp.
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Brian I miss my 07 Alloy
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Originally Posted by eci
You can feel a tune on an 07 GT. Do the math.
Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
So true, and that's only 25-30 hp.
A lot of the "seat of your pants" feel you notice is the quicker/crisper throttle response that the tune has, not as much the HP/TQ gain.

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That, and increased power across the RPM range.

OP, honestly unless you paid cash for your '10 and just have money to burn to trade up to an '11, you are better off slapping a supercharger on your '10 and calling it a day.
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That, and increased power across the RPM range.

OP, honestly unless you paid cash for your '10 and just have money to burn to trade up to an '11, you are better off slapping a supercharger on your '10 and calling it a day.
Agreed. The torque curve of a blown 4.6 > 5.0 n/a, guaranteed. No N/A motor, Ti VCT or not can touch a blown V8. Of course blowers will come for the 5.0.
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Originally Posted by eci
Agreed. The torque curve of a blown 4.6 > 5.0 n/a, guaranteed. No N/A motor, Ti VCT or not can touch a blown V8. Of course blowers will come for the 5.0.

We already know that the 5.0 has a higher compression ratio than the outgoing 4.6, but I don't think that it will be too high to be able to be safe with forced induction.
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Originally Posted by laserred38
OP, honestly unless you paid cash for your '10 and just have money to burn to trade up to an '11, you are better off slapping a supercharger on your '10 and calling it a day.
Originally Posted by eci
Agreed. The torque curve of a blown 4.6 > 5.0 n/a, guaranteed. No N/A motor, Ti VCT or not can touch a blown V8. Of course blowers will come for the 5.0.

Very good points!
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you'll feel most of the "seat of the pants" feeling in your wallet after trading a '10 on a '11
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Originally Posted by jedikd
you'll feel most of the "seat of the pants" feeling in your wallet after trading a '10 on a '11

LOL! Very true!


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