Dead Horse Category -- IRS/Live Axle Article
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Yeah, last minute it was dumped for the SRA.
The problem is it isn't a straight swap right now ... there was some modification to the chasis or floorpanel that was made to accomodate the Solid if i remember correctly.
The problem is it isn't a straight swap right now ... there was some modification to the chasis or floorpanel that was made to accomodate the Solid if i remember correctly.
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As much as I fantasize about the Mustang, Ford as a car company has very little of my respect. Err, let me rephrase that. MODERN Ford as a car company...
When I look at one of it's largest competitors, Dodge, and see it's fugly Caliber SRT-4 with a turboed I-4 making 285HP/265ftlb, 19" wheels, a functional hood scoop, IRS, QUALITY interior with sweet options including factory racing seats that are well designed and STYLISH, not to mention a grill opening that is 100% open honeycomb panel and not 60% blocked with plastic filled combs. The little things like that is what makes me think Ford is suckin it up bad. When Dodge can offer all those "little" things for the same price as a base GT, someone is doing something right. Sometimes I wish I didn't love the Mustang as much as I do. I think I might a better quality car for my money. Oh well. I'm just venting. Maybe the '10 will fix some of these things. I'll still buy if it doesn't. I AM a Mustang fan after all!
When I look at one of it's largest competitors, Dodge, and see it's fugly Caliber SRT-4 with a turboed I-4 making 285HP/265ftlb, 19" wheels, a functional hood scoop, IRS, QUALITY interior with sweet options including factory racing seats that are well designed and STYLISH, not to mention a grill opening that is 100% open honeycomb panel and not 60% blocked with plastic filled combs. The little things like that is what makes me think Ford is suckin it up bad. When Dodge can offer all those "little" things for the same price as a base GT, someone is doing something right. Sometimes I wish I didn't love the Mustang as much as I do. I think I might a better quality car for my money. Oh well. I'm just venting. Maybe the '10 will fix some of these things. I'll still buy if it doesn't. I AM a Mustang fan after all!
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Maybe all of you guys wishing for an IRS and saying you'd pay extra for it, should invest the money into driving lessons and learn to drive the danged car!! And don't go and say that street driving is different than racing, if you're pushing it hard enough to complain about the handling in rough corners, you're either well above the posted limit or should be driving a Caddy. The Mustang has never been a refined (luxury/sport)car and should never be one!! And, if it had an IRS like the 'vettes, you'd complain about it having leaf springs!! Most people wouldn't even notice the difference between an IRS and a SRA rear suspension.
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It says something profoundly disturbing about management at Ford of North America, frankly.
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Maybe all of you guys wishing for an IRS and saying you'd pay extra for it, should invest the money into driving lessons and learn to drive the danged car!! And don't go and say that street driving is different than racing, if you're pushing it hard enough to complain about the handling in rough corners, you're either well above the posted limit or should be driving a Caddy. The Mustang has never been a refined (luxury/sport)car and should never be one!! And, if it had an IRS like the 'vettes, you'd complain about it having leaf springs!! Most people wouldn't even notice the difference between an IRS and a SRA rear suspension.
Maybe we can keep living in the past.
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Does the Mustang need IRS?
-Yes
Would it improve performance?
-Yes
Would it shut the critics up?
-Yes
Would it improve overall driveability of the car?
-Yes
So why doesn't Ford do it? I hate to break it to you guys, but it costs more, and the Mustang will sell regardless of its suspension. Simple as that.
-Yes
Would it improve performance?
-Yes
Would it shut the critics up?
-Yes
Would it improve overall driveability of the car?
-Yes
So why doesn't Ford do it? I hate to break it to you guys, but it costs more, and the Mustang will sell regardless of its suspension. Simple as that.
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Maybe all of you guys wishing for an IRS and saying you'd pay extra for it, should invest the money into driving lessons and learn to drive the danged car!! And don't go and say that street driving is different than racing, if you're pushing it hard enough to complain about the handling in rough corners, you're either well above the posted limit or should be driving a Caddy. The Mustang has never been a refined (luxury/sport)car and should never be one!! And, if it had an IRS like the 'vettes, you'd complain about it having leaf springs!! Most people wouldn't even notice the difference between an IRS and a SRA rear suspension.
If you've ever been on a road course, you'd know that street driving is way different than the racetrack.
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Since 2002, the Mustang has had no competition. GM has the Camaro coming out and the Challenger just hit the streets. Hyundai has a RWD Mustang competitor being introduced shortly. Ford better watch their back because the competition has some really great products coming out!
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Does the Mustang need IRS?
-Yes
Would it improve performance?
-Yes
Would it shut the critics up?
-Yes
Would it improve overall driveability of the car?
-Yes
So why doesn't Ford do it? I hate to break it to you guys, but it costs more, and the Mustang will sell regardless of its suspension. Simple as that.
-Yes
Would it improve performance?
-Yes
Would it shut the critics up?
-Yes
Would it improve overall driveability of the car?
-Yes
So why doesn't Ford do it? I hate to break it to you guys, but it costs more, and the Mustang will sell regardless of its suspension. Simple as that.
No!
Would it make it an elitiist(SP) car Yes
30K is the magic number right now
As far as sells go.... IMO Ford was smart
Edit: I am all for any optionsFord should offer as options ... that ppl like me want want!
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Ford isn't doing this to save buyers money - it's doing it to widen its profit margin.
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IceHawk, have you ever owned a Dodge product? Unfortunately, I have and was lucky enough to rid myself of the last one. Sure the Dodge boys can create some stylish cars and trucks but their quality is horrid, if they truly "pay attention to details" then major powertrain systems shouldn't have to be replaced in the first year of ownership along with a host of other "lesser" systems.
hisnherponies - I'm a big supporter of an IRS option for the Mustang and I can drive my solid axle fox body coupe just fine - wanna race? Seriously, the IRS would make a great road course addition but more importantly it would satisfy the majority of Mustang buyers who never modify or race their cars but simply drive them on the pothole-ridden streets where NVH and ride comfort are more important that lateral acceleration or slalom speeds.
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agreed 100%........and its so unfortunate for the consumers. We could get into a whole topic of right and wrong here given Ford's situation, but I'll leave it at this.....as consumers, we're all getting jipped.
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Not trying to bash, just trying to make a point.
I'm neither yay or nay for the IRS at this time,but if ford put one in the mustang this thing better be tough as nails and weight about the same as SRA. (Hollywood_north GT).. already pointed out that we are being charged as if the car already came with one, so I would expect anything less.
I have noticed that vehicles with the IRS run cr4p times at the track, can anybody explain why?? And what do people expect the mustang to weigh with an IRS?
[quote=Hollywood_North GT;5562724]Absolutely.
In case anyone doubts the overwhelming superiority of IRS, ask yourself the following question: How many RWD performance cars in the Mustang's price category can you think of that use SRA anymore?
Anyone...?
Anyone...?
Bueller...?=quote]
That's a great question, I guess none is your answer.
I also have a question, how many performance cars in the Mustang's price category are out there that have a V8 and back seats since 2002??
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Does the Mustang need IRS?
-Yes
Would it improve performance?
-Yes
Would it shut the critics up?
-Yes
Would it improve overall driveability of the car?
-Yes
So why doesn't Ford do it? I hate to break it to you guys, but it costs more, and the Mustang will sell regardless of its suspension. Simple as that.
-Yes
Would it improve performance?
-Yes
Would it shut the critics up?
-Yes
Would it improve overall driveability of the car?
-Yes
So why doesn't Ford do it? I hate to break it to you guys, but it costs more, and the Mustang will sell regardless of its suspension. Simple as that.
For example, if it gets IRS they will bash how crappy the interior is ,if it get a better interior they will say how the ergonomic are all wrong it's just an endless cycle.
I agree even with the SRA the stang has and still out sells the competion.
Last edited by TTS197; 5/8/08 at 12:24 AM.
#38
Does the Mustang need IRS?
-Yes
Would it improve performance?
-Yes
Would it shut the critics up?
-Yes
Would it improve overall driveability of the car?
-Yes
So why doesn't Ford do it? I hate to break it to you guys, but it costs more, and the Mustang will sell regardless of its suspension. Simple as that.
-Yes
Would it improve performance?
-Yes
Would it shut the critics up?
-Yes
Would it improve overall driveability of the car?
-Yes
So why doesn't Ford do it? I hate to break it to you guys, but it costs more, and the Mustang will sell regardless of its suspension. Simple as that.
Cornering, likely... but by how much?
Critics? I thought it was their job to not shut up?
Driveability? I haven't had many issues with driveability... it certainly handles better than any sedan I've been in recently... but it's a rougher ride (is that SLA, or sport car suspension?)...
Are we paying for it? Probably, but I personally wouldn't know the difference.
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As much as I fantasize about the Mustang, Ford as a car company has very little of my respect. Err, let me rephrase that. MODERN Ford as a car company...
When I look at one of it's largest competitors, Dodge, and see it's fugly Caliber SRT-4 with a turboed I-4 making 285HP/265ftlb, 19" wheels, a functional hood scoop, IRS, QUALITY interior with sweet options including factory racing seats that are well designed and STYLISH, not to mention a grill opening that is 100% open honeycomb panel and not 60% blocked with plastic filled combs. The little things like that is what makes me think Ford is suckin it up bad. When Dodge can offer all those "little" things for the same price as a base GT, someone is doing something right. Sometimes I wish I didn't love the Mustang as much as I do. I think I might a better quality car for my money. Oh well. I'm just venting. Maybe the '10 will fix some of these things. I'll still buy if it doesn't. I AM a Mustang fan after all!
When I look at one of it's largest competitors, Dodge, and see it's fugly Caliber SRT-4 with a turboed I-4 making 285HP/265ftlb, 19" wheels, a functional hood scoop, IRS, QUALITY interior with sweet options including factory racing seats that are well designed and STYLISH, not to mention a grill opening that is 100% open honeycomb panel and not 60% blocked with plastic filled combs. The little things like that is what makes me think Ford is suckin it up bad. When Dodge can offer all those "little" things for the same price as a base GT, someone is doing something right. Sometimes I wish I didn't love the Mustang as much as I do. I think I might a better quality car for my money. Oh well. I'm just venting. Maybe the '10 will fix some of these things. I'll still buy if it doesn't. I AM a Mustang fan after all!
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I like the Challenger SRT8, but I would never buy one. Chrysler's quality stinks! But, I admire what they are doing. They are giving "their" customers what they want.
Although I don't care for the looks of the Camaro, I can almost guarantee that the car is going to perform well. GM is never lacking in the performance area.
I am a Ford guy, but the competition has some appealing vehicles. I am even impressed with the Pontiac G8 GT!
Although I don't care for the looks of the Camaro, I can almost guarantee that the car is going to perform well. GM is never lacking in the performance area.
I am a Ford guy, but the competition has some appealing vehicles. I am even impressed with the Pontiac G8 GT!