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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 08:49 AM
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How about a V8 hybrid mustang? hey, if GM can call something that gets 20 mpg "green" why can't Ford do the same with Mustang?
I guess, but imo there are complexity and weight issues that you'd have to deal with and given the Mustang's position in the market (affordable performance 2+2 coupe RWD) I dont think you'll be seeing that for some time to come. Especially given the Mustang's styling, its not about being space efficent.
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Black331
Why worry about something that will never happen??

A 120mpg plug-in hybrid would offset the poor fuel economy any Mustang gets, besides, you can have huge power and big mileage numbers too, by 2020 who knows what we'll be able to do. Private companies can build electric Mustangs that are faster than anything Ford sells, it's just a matter of refinement and time, big powered Mustangs are here to stay.

Could be, just depends on how well Ford plans its CAFE mix or any manufacturer for that matter. Ultimately you can extract only so much power from gasoline and the only way to save fuel is to burn less of it through leaner A/F ratios, lower engine speeds or smaller engines (or virtually smaller engines in the case of GM & Dodge with thier V8 cylinder deactivation strategies).

Still I'm saying even if Ford stopped with FI engines to meet CAFE requirments, having a 400hp top tier Mustang isn't all that bad, it seems people have become fixated on HP as yardstick by which progress is measured, while ignoring the diminishing returns in performance ever increasing HP offers, and we have no better example of this than the GT500, for all its 500hp badassery and ability to strap on 100 more horsepower without worry, its not the quantum leap in performance over the GT that 500hp would suggest simply due to the nessecary and nessecarily affordable hardware needed to reliably and safely support 500-600 hp.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Moosetang
How about a V8 hybrid mustang? hey, if GM can call something that gets 20 mpg "green" why can't Ford do the same with Mustang?
I would hardly call hybrids green.
The few extra MPG hybrids get in the real world come at a huge cost.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 03:57 PM
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I would hardly call hybrids green.
The few extra MPG hybrids get in the real world come at a huge cost.
Amen. I'm surprised people still buy into the notion that hybrids are actually 'working'. The verdict is in...hybrids are a lot of things, but green isn't one of them.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 04:22 PM
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They have thier uses, I think in an urban environment a small diesel hybrid combo would do well, less so as you get out from the city and distances and speeds grow larger between stops. However on the other end, its a pointless endeavor when the powerplant is coal or oil fired.

Of course the new energy bill being rushed through congress makes you go WTF? tax subsidies are still in place for oil companies (lets hear it for corperate welfare), solar and wind power initiatives were stripped from the bill (no loss there), CAFE standards were raised to 35 mpg, and no mention of nuclear anywhere. In summation its more pointless legislation designed to placate tree hugging nutswingers the country over.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bob
I guess, but imo there are complexity and weight issues that you'd have to deal with and given the Mustang's position in the market (affordable performance 2+2 coupe RWD) I dont think you'll be seeing that for some time to come. Especially given the Mustang's styling, its not about being space efficent.
I never said it was a good idea. Hell, the "Green Car of the Year" GM BS hybrids aren't a good idea objectively. But if a mild hybrid Mustang can take some of the eco-heat off, I can easily see Ford doing it.
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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I read this on another site. Ford's new Boss/Hurricane engine is pictured in the new Hot Rod magazine. They are saying it looks narrower and taller than the current Modular motors. This could explain the taller hood on the new '09 F-150 and possibly the taller hood on the '10 Mustang. We know the F-150 will get the Boss but maybe now the Mustang too.
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSugeKnight
I read this on another site. Ford's new Boss/Hurricane engine is pictured in the new Hot Rod magazine. They are saying it looks narrower and taller than the current Modular motors. This could explain the taller hood on the new '09 F-150 and possibly the taller hood on the '10 Mustang. We know the F-150 will get the Boss but maybe now the Mustang too.
I'm confused ... Do you mean a altogether new engine, a BOSS MOD motor, or are they returning the pushrod BOSS 302?
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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The H/Boss engine is an entirely new OHC engine family that could eventually replace the current Mod engine. Ford is not returning to the previous small block OHV pushrod design for the current engine family.

FRPP did release a line of OHV small block crate engines and supporting pieces they are calling the Boss engine so I can see why there is so much confusion.
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSugeKnight
I read this on another site. Ford's new Boss/Hurricane engine is pictured in the new Hot Rod magazine. They are saying it looks narrower and taller than the current Modular motors. This could explain the taller hood on the new '09 F-150 and possibly the taller hood on the '10 Mustang. We know the F-150 will get the Boss but maybe now the Mustang too.
Apparently even the 3.5 EcoBoost engine needs some clearance on the mustang
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MustangFanatic
The H/Boss engine is an entirely new OHC engine family that could eventually replace the current Mod engine. Ford is not returning to the previous small block OHV pushrod design for the current engine family.

FRPP did release a line of OHV small block crate engines and supporting pieces they are calling the Boss engine so I can see why there is so much confusion.
Thanks for the clarification.

By the way ... I haven't been on here in a while. How's the BOSS and MACH I supposedly coming along in development ... anyone heard?
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MustangFanatic
The H/Boss engine is an entirely new OHC engine family that could eventually replace the current Mod engine. Ford is not returning to the previous small block OHV pushrod design for the current engine family.
Last word from Ford was that the new V8 would be called neither Huricane nor Boss.

Ford has also indicated that it will not be a replacement for the 4.6 Mod motor but will replace the Mod 6.8L V10 and probably the Mod 5.4L V8.

It will be interesting to hear what Ford ends up naming it.
"Boss" is certainly out of line with the current "eco-speak".
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 08:23 PM
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Based on all the information being leaked out it looks like Ford may have two V8 engine families for a while - a "revised" modular likely for passenger car use and the H/Boss-what-ever-the-heck-they-decide-to-call-it (wasn't "Premium" even floated around for a while?) that will likely be in trucks and SUVs first. At this point, Ford is clearly evaluating several options, it remains to be seen where this will end up.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MustangFanatic
wasn't "Premium" even floated around for a while?

that will likely be in trucks and SUVs first. At this point, Ford is clearly evaluating several options, it remains to be seen where this will end up.
Yes it was, probably the stupidest name Ford has ever come up with, makes EcoBoost sound like marketing brilliance.

I agree, the new Boss (or whatever) V8 will be primarily a truck engine with limited use in the Mustang.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
Yes it was, probably the stupidest name Ford has ever come up with, makes EcoBoost sound like marketing brilliance.

I agree, the new Boss (or whatever) V8 will be primarily a truck engine with limited use in the Mustang.
Agree, Premium is very lame - talk about total lack of creativity, even my 4 yr old could come up with a better name than that.

Maybe the Boss will appear only in SE models?
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MustangFanatic
Maybe the Boss will appear only in SE models?
That's what I'm expecting.

The big question I have is if the 5.0 V8 will make it to production (no matter what sort of stupid name Ford puts on it)
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