5L? GTDI? DOHC? The?

Yes Please

 

Where do I sign up?

 

I'd be happy with "just" a DOHC 5.0L GDI engine! =)

 

Yeah, look at what Audi's been able to do with that basic configuration, but with 4.2 liters: 420 hp and something like an 8,200 redline with a broad swath of power across the rev range. Granted its crackling 12-something to one compression ratio requires 93 octane, apostacy to those who fetishize being able to run on 87 octane swill, but for that level of performance, I'll happily cough up an extra buck or two at the pump.

Even if Ford does all that high-tech stuff with the 4.6, that would still mean a screaming 460 hp or so and an utterly perfect Boss 460 road racer. Wouldn't that make a fitting coda to the Mod motors as the new Boss engine family comes on line.

But that would be way too bold of a move for Ford.

 

yeah i would not expect for to do an audi like specfic output. but i'd be overjoyed with 5.0L solid 400hp.

 

I would be ecstatic with a GDI TT 5.0 DOHC!

 

New Idea: Make the N/A 5L a platform to launch a new model in the Mustang range. Think about it, the primary problem with the 3.5 TT is that it would be wasted on a limited-term SE, but the V8 faithful don't want to lose the GT becuase that would leave only the SEs and GT-500 with V8s. So you create a new package around the old "5.0" badge from the Fox mustangs, giving it all the goodies that the GT gets, fundamentally the same package, but themed to the 5L engine. By minimizing the differences to some badges and the engine, you avoid cost issues. But with those simple changes you retain a volume model for the V8 lovers, give the 3.5 TT a home, and pay homage to the old Fox 5Ls of the past.



The "permanent" Mustang models would increase from the 3 we've had for the last Decade+; Base, GT, and GT-500 (formerly Cobra), to 3 and 1/2 where the GT and 5.0 are essentially the same except for engine/badging.

Base: 3.5 GDI
GT: 3.5 TT GDI
5.0: 5L DOHC GDI
GT-500/Roush: 5L TT DOHC GDI
plus, you still have the SEs to play with

Am I nuts or am I nuts?

 

Or Mustang Base 3.5 with or without twinforce
and Mustang GT 5.0 with or without twinforce
and Mustang Cobra with 5.4L 4v S/C 600hp
until it goes out then use the 6.2 TF

 

I'm with Boomer on this one, although I'm not against what moosetang has to say on the matter either. I too have thought about the concept of a 'stepped' model lineup where naturally aspirated and turbocharged versions of the same basic motor play alongside one another. But I also like the idea of using the TT V6 for the GT while keeping the V8. To put a twist on Boomer's post my thoughts go something a bit more like this.

Base: 3.7L DOHC V6

GT: 3.7L TTC V6

Boss 302: 5.0L DOHC V8

GT350: 5.0L TTC V8

Boss 351: 5.8L DOHC V8

GT500: 5.8L DOHC TTC V8

I've brought the 5.8L back since I think it would be a better choice for cars than the 6.2L given rising gas prices (a small consolation I know, but it all adds up even in small increments like this)....and ultimately this isn't a big deal since Ford could easily revive the 5.8L at any time. The 7.0L versions of the upcoming Boss could then be employed as ultra-limited production super-Mustangs.

Boss 427: 7.0L DOHC V8

GT500KR: 7.0L TTC V8

The above plan would make the Boss 302 into more of a mainstream model that it was previously but I think it could play very well. I can't imagine that a great many people on this forum would be disappointed at the prospect of a Mustang GT replacement that employs a DOHC 5.0L V8 with a 6-speed manual and IRS wearing the Boss 302 moniker. Ultimately all naturally aspirated V8 models are marketed as 'Boss' models while all turbo versions are GT's, V6 or otherwise. Even better all naturally aspirated V8 models could be called Boss V8's while forced induction V8 models could wear another moniker like CJ, SCJ, or Twin Force. (TF would be most appropriate for the V6 model IMO whatever the V8 models might be called)

This simplifies the line from a marketing standpoint while offering maximum variety increasing production and profit potential.

 

Too much dreaming guys. No way in the world could Ford profitably sell the Mustang if it had 9 different engine options. We'd be lucky to see 4 different engine choices.

 

I completely disagree. As it is now they couldn't profitably do it, but then assuming things will continue as they now are is artifically limiting to say the least. Assuming Ford intends to expand usage of the next Mustang platform, and they do, and that they likewise plan to employ all of the above engines in some future vehicle, and yet again given what we currently know they do, then the above variety of powerplants would more likely serve to improve profitability rather than stifle it.

Virtually all of the listed engines are going to be developed wether or not the Mustang gets them and dividing the Musatng lineup into a few basic models surrounded by several well thought out limited production models stands to increase demand and limit the need for rebates and incentives. The opposite line of thought is that fewer part numbers increases profitability, but this strategy is inherently flawed since it doesn't account for the increased demand created by well executed variety.

 

The thing that confuses me ....

V6, easy enough... probably a V6 without TwinForce (3.5 or 3.7)
I can't see the TF 3.5 as a GT engine unless its an option alongside the v8

GT=v8
V8, 5.0L V8

Now here's where the confusion happens.
If the 5.0 is pushing 400hp...and the TwinForce V8 5.0 will be pushing 450-475hp...(obviously on a conservative tune)
They wouldn't back HP the GT500... so..what's going to go into it?

We know the 5.4 is good for 600ish hp (certified for production, this number has been quoted before elsewhere, its all software HP on that engine) + the 5.4 is probably going to start fading away after 2012ish...

Do they choose to put the 5.0TF in that car and up the number its achieving right now, or use the 6.2 and TwinForce that... and call it a day????

I'm HOPING the 5.0TF is an option on a GT or BOSS level mustang
and the GT500 has the 6.2

 

Heres an interesting tidbit about John Colleiti, the Mod motors and the development of the Hurricane engine:

 

Great summary jsaylor. However, I don't think the GT model will stray from the V8 fold. Just a few tweaks to what you suggested:

From Ford:

· Base: 3.7L DOHC V6: 275 hp; 5 spd manual/5 spd automatic; SLA
· GT: 5.0L SOHC 2V: 325 hp; 5 spd manual/5 spd automatic; SLA
· Boss 302: 5.0L DOHC 4V V8: 400 hp; 6 spd manual; IRS
· Boss 351: 5.8L DOHC V8: 450 hp; 6 spd manual/5 spd automatic; SLA with IRS option (the Boss models would not be offered simultaneously but sequentially)
· GT500: 5.8L DOHC TTC V8: 500+ hp; 6 spd manual; IRS

From Shelby:

· GT350 offered by SA as the follow up to the Shelby GT and be based on the GT making 350 hp)

All is still in the rumor and speculation stage but the exciting part is the recent news and developments from Ford are very encouraging. The pony car wars are about the heat up again and that can only be great news for us!

 

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER ... EVER ... after what we just went thru with the 2008 BULLITT should we any way agree, suggest, or even so much as hint at the idea of any kind of V-6 whatosever being sufficient for the base engine in a Mustang GT.

 

And I disagree. So long as there is a V8 model to take up the slack a non V8 GT would leave in the lineup I am all for it. And I seriously doubt that most Mustang enthusiasts would mind a sub 30k V8-powered Mustang dubbed Boss 302 in place of a V8-powered GT. A TTC V6-powered GT and a regular production/reasonably-priced 5.0L V8-powered Boss 302 is the best of both worlds IMO. Of course some will chafe at the though, but then you can't make everybody happy.

And who is talking about the TF V6 being the base GT engine????...I'm talking about it being the only GT engine.

 

As has been said, if you have a V8 model with the same price/options structure as the the GT there's no loss. Call it "Boss 302," "5.0," or whatever. We're not discussing ways to F-over V8 lovers, we're just looking for ways to factor both the comparable-performing 3.5 TF and N/A V8 in at the same level, while also giving some recognition to the choice.

 

You know, I've given this issue some thought and while I still don't agree with V10 completely on the variety versus profitability issue he is absolutely correct in one way. In the case of truly expensive components like engines if great variety doesn't bring obvious differentiation then fewer options are the way to go. So, in light of this, I've revised my possible future lineup accordingly to this......

Base: 3.7L DOHC V6

GT: 3.7L TTC V6

Boss 302: 5.0L DOHC V8

GT350: 5.0L TTC V8

Boss 427: 7.0L DOHC V8

GT500: 7.0L TTC V8

.....I like this revision because it offers a lot of commonality in powertrains from a component perspective while providing nice differentiation in the finished product. Also, after considering the fact that the Boss 427 and GT500 would obviously be very limited production pieces you have a remaining four car Mustang lineup similar in bredth and execution to the 2003-2004 lineups where...

Future Base V6 = 03/04 Base V6

Future GT = 03/04 GT

Future Boss 302 = 03/04 Mach-1

Future GT500 = 03/04 Cobra

..These aren't all 100% direct since a GT replacing Boss 302 would be less dough in today's dollars than a Mach-1 was in 03/03. But the basic idea works out. And I like the idea of having more engine variety in the under 30k to start range so the notion of a TTC GT and a 5.0L Boss 302 in this price range holds a lot of appeal for me. The above also leaves open the possiblity for SE's like Mach-1's or GT500KR's to be based upon the basic four car lineup listed above if the opportunity arises...soemthing else which I like..

 

No Saylor you still don't have it right ...

WORK ON IT SOME MORE ~ !!!

 

Bingo! The minute you chafe at an idea I know that I'm onto something worthwhile!