So yeah..about those boss engines...

 

The one with the pistons and the valves?

 

Alright, alright. Personally, I'm most curious as to when we can expect to see production DOHC heads for the Boss V8, and when we can expect to see the Boss displace the Modular engine line altogether. The former has been hinted at more than once, but any serious info has been sketchy to say the least. At this point the info seems to be limited to the fact that DOHC heads in some stage of development do exist for the Boss V8 but when or even if they will hit production is still a matter for debate.

As for the Boss supplanting the Modular V8. For me this is like the small displacement Boss V8 we now know is coming but which was formerly an unknown. Logic tells you that it will eventually happen, but given the fact that it looks like we are getting one more go-round with the Romeo/Modular V8, a complete pahse out of that engine has likely been pushed back considerably, particularly since the Modular engine update appears likely to be the most significant that motor has received to date.

Somehow more insider info has got to make it's way out on this stuff.

 

a larger update then 2004 to 2005? cause that was one major overhaul.

 

Its possible the Mod is getting GDI or even GTDI capacity with this next update, stay tuned.

 

Well, rumours indicate that the mod Motors bore limitations will be 'less limiting' by some degree this time around. Unless Ford is exagerating what they've got planned at least a little bit here this makes it sound as though they may have added some material to the outside of the block itself which would be a rather serious modification in it's own right. This wont change the bore center but it would effectively let you run a larger bore than you otherwise plausibly could in a production application since it minimizes the risk of deflection, etc.

 

They have broken ground here in Georgia on a new ethanol plant. They will be developing cellulosic ethanol, primarily from wood chips and other "waste". According to articles I have read, they are using expensive enzymes in the process. The company's proprietary technology -- known as the K2 system -- eliminates the use of enzymes, which have been an expensive component of traditional cellulosic ethanol production, and transforms otherwise useless products such as wood chips, agricultural wastes, grasses, and cornstalks as well as hog manure, municipal garbage, sawdust and paper pulp into ethanol through a thermo-chemical conversion process.

For more information, here is one of the articles:
http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com...story?id=47371

 

Wouldn't it be cool if this new Ford V8 engine is like a 21st century version of SOHC 427 FE? Available in either pushrod or OHC configuration... or just throw some ARAO-type heads on it, he-heh. IDK, just throwing that out there.

 

I was driving a Ford van today with a V-10 engine. As usual, I check out every vehicle passing by that I can. I saw a new GT/CS and of course I started thinking about the latest retro-style.

One thought that crossed my mind (and again when I read this post) is what if Ford continued the retro-style with a 71-73 Mach I & Ram Air hood theme and stretched the nose out to accomodate the V-10 engine ... ???

I think that sure would be SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET ~ !!!

 

The V10 is only 4 inches longer, they can fit in a foxbody no problem, and as we have seen in the SN95 as well.

A V10 Mustang would kick so much **** and would be on par with GM's own 6+ liter engines. Just imagine 6.8 liters of 3v engine using the Bullitt's engine management (up to 325 hp on premium fuel IIRC) That'd put the 3v 6.8 at 480hp (or there abouts, certainly 450hp is possible) in a package that weighs less than than the current mill in the GT500.

 

IIRC it was still 315hp,
but around 10ftlbs of a broader torque curve

Quote:

Engine performance is further enhanced through the use of an innovative adaptive spark ignition system, new for the 2008 Mustang.

The system can sense, within a few seconds, what type of fuel is being injected into the motor and adjusts the spark to provide maximum torque at any given speed – and as much as 10 pounds-feet more between 1,000 and 4,000 rpm.

Bullitt can run on either premium or regular fuel. Ford recommends premium fuel for optimum performance, but the adaptive spark ignition will adjust the spark to burn regular fuel without damaging the engine.

 

The Boss is so close to production now that Ford could have a 7.0L V8 version of that engine ready to go by the time a revised version of the V10 was ready for Mustang duty. And since the Boss is a far superior design in every way I would argue that the V10 is best left to spend out it's remaining days under the hoods of SD trucks and vans..

 

The rumors floating around on other sites indicate that the modular redesign is so significant that it will barely be recognizable as a modular engine. Of course, this is still a "rumor" with no hard facts. If Ford does indeed make significant revisions to the modular engine and correct many of its design deficiencies then one could only assume the modular engine family has a new lease on life and it will not be phased out by the Boss completely. Just wish we had some facts rather than more rumors..

 

I wish the modular was phased out. I'd rather have brand new base from the boss'

 

I've long said that Ford at least needs to return to the 4" bore as a minimum bore size; rather it be in a MOD motor, or a pushrod motor.

I've actually learned to live with the disappointing phase-out of the pushrod V-8 and I'm actually surprised it might return. If they did return the pushrod V-8 I hope it will be BOSS 302 or BOSS 351.

I heard all kinds of things, like the they could never get any of the pushrod V-8(s) to clean up emissions-wise and the MOD OHC V-8(s) were more HP capable (citing the 427 SOHC and BOSS 429 as examples).

I wish Ford would make up their minds and leak something official out to the public about the BOSS, the MACH I, or both. I'll only be able to afford one of them and I want to be sure I'm patient for the right one!

 

Well if we do see a Mach1/Boss it would probably be at Detroit...so that's not far off.

Pushrod, not a chance

4" bore... i'd say no.
Probably slight increases of the current 4.6s 3.55x3.54

 

Right on the money. Ford may be able to implement the larger bore setups engines like the 5.0L Cammer use, or at least something close o it, in a realistic production scenario if they ad some material to the engine block. But increasing bore size beyond that would invovle an increase in actual engine block length and that isn't going to happen.

For those wanting bores of 4inches or more the Boss is going to be the only game in Dearborn.

 

Yes, the only way to get any appreaciable increase in bore size would be to change to the bore spacing in the motor.

 

I'll have to check some of the articles out again, it seemed to me that the Bullitt tuning was capable of a bit more under the right conditions.

Seemed like they rated it at 315 just to cover thier butts, but the engine under the right conditions could make more? Ford's own high octane tune is good for an extra 20hp depsite its conservative tuning - from my understanding the FRPP tune is designed to protect the exhaust valves and catalytic converters.

All the same, a 3v V10 in that tune would still be over 450hp.

 

Well heres the lastest rumor from BlueII, BON's engine insider..has been hinting alot about the upcoming Twin Force engines from Ford.

http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums...dpost&p=263845


My thoughts are this...think the current GT engine with slightly better MPG (if you keep your foot out of it) and whole lot more HP