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any projected 1/4 times for the new 2011 V6 and GT?

Old Dec 30, 2009 | 06:24 AM
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I can see as low as 12.3's stock with a manual and some hard launches. Low 1.6's
All drag racers know it depends on the location, track, and weather. Unless perfect conditions, I can't see the V6 doing 13.9's out the box. Most people will average mid low 14's. On drags, mid-high 13's.
My junky slow 4.0 auto with exhaust, CAI, and stock tune runs 14.90's in the 1/4 at 91. I truly believe the 2011 V6 will run 14 flat or better and trap just under 100. GT will be 13.0 with a good driver and decent tires.
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by thomasstang09
My junky slow 4.0 auto with exhaust, CAI, and stock tune runs 14.90's in the 1/4 at 91. I truly believe the 2011 V6 will run 14 flat or better and trap just under 100. GT will be 13.0 with a good driver and decent tires.
Those numbers are just about what the base Camaro and SS run. I think the V6 Mustang will be faster with a slight power advantage and huge weight advantage.

I think that the Camaro's torque advantage can nullify most of it's weight penalty and it becomes a drivers race. I'm still hopeful than the GT is a 10th or two faster than the SS.

The fastest time I've seen for a stock Camaro was 12.9 the ones I saw at the track this Summer ran between 13.00 to 13.3 all night.

I'm sure Motor Trend, Road & Track and all the others car rags should get there comparison tests in by March or April.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 03:49 AM
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Ill say 13.9 @ 102 for the six

And 12.7 @ 113 for the GT if they can get it to hook, not gonna happen with those awful 235's

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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Black331
Ill say 13.9 @ 102 for the six

And 12.7 @ 113 for the GT if they can get it to hook, not gonna happen with those awful 235's
Probably cars with track pack package will get bigger and stickier tires. We'll know at the Detroit auto show.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 06:16 PM
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Not interested in what the six does since I would not be interested in buying one. What kind of times did a stock Terminator run? According to C&D about 12.9 @ 112. The new GT will have similar power numbers (the 03-04 Cobra was under rated) and probably a few extra pounds. I would guess a new GT would run a tenth or two slower than an 03-04 Cobra or about 13 flat @ say 110-111. That's still an improvement over the 2010 GT which, according to MT, would run a 13.5 @ 104 and about equal to a 2010 Camaro SS.
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Old Jan 1, 2010 | 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by blksn8k
Not interested in what the six does since I would not be interested in buying one. What kind of times did a stock Terminator run? According to C&D about 12.9 @ 112. The new GT will have similar power numbers (the 03-04 Cobra was under rated) and probably a few extra pounds. I would guess a new GT would run a tenth or two slower than an 03-04 Cobra or about 13 flat @ say 110-111. That's still an improvement over the 2010 GT which, according to MT, would run a 13.5 @ 104 and about equal to a 2010 Camaro SS.
The 11 GT should weigh the same as Terminator, have better gearing and a higher redline. That should even it up with the Terminator. The Terminator would be way easier to mod but stock versus stock it should be all even or the GT by a car length.
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Old Jan 1, 2010 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 1trickpony
If a Genesis is already running 14.0 why wouldn't a Mustang V6 beat that? The Stang should weigh the same or less, has a higher redline, and the Msutang should have the strong motor of the two.
I can see a magazine rating the V6 as fast as a 13.7@102, But I don't think anyone here is trying to guess rag numbers.
In the real world I have yet to see a Genesis run a 14.0, and at least locally, never an 05-09 GT run a 13.5 bone stock.

I can see an honest 14.2 which is great!! On street tires. Genesis run mid 14's in my neck of the woods.
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Old Jan 1, 2010 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by thomasstang09
My junky slow 4.0 auto with exhaust, CAI, and stock tune runs 14.90's in the 1/4 at 91. I truly believe the 2011 V6 will run 14 flat or better and trap just under 100. GT will be 13.0 with a good driver and decent tires.
Possible, but lets say you have your 210hp at the wheels, and a 2011 V6 has 265hp at the wheels. 55rwhp on a slightly heavier car won't be 1 second...

I ran 14.8's on my Manual V6. I miss that car. Stock it's a mid-low 15sec car. I am excited however, I don't think a low 14 sec car is slow at all!!
Something about hitting a milestone, getting in the 13's, 12's feels great.

On slicks 13's easy!!
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Old Jan 1, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ManEHawke
I can see a magazine rating the V6 as fast as a 13.7@102, But I don't think anyone here is trying to guess rag numbers.
In the real world I have yet to see a Genesis run a 14.0, and at least locally, never an 05-09 GT run a 13.5 bone stock.

I can see an honest 14.2 which is great!! On street tires. Genesis run mid 14's in my neck of the woods.
I believe waht you're saying but most folks complain that the rags are slower than what most folks can get at the track. Car and Driver and most rags won't powershift a car. I think that's why MM & FF always beats anything in the other rags. I'm pretty sure if Motortrend can get 13.9 out of a 2011 V6 somebody out there will beat that on drag radials, a good step up, and good weather. We'll see what we get this Spring.
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 08:28 AM
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So, at the end, what would be the reason to buy a Shelby? GT is just as fast for $20,000 less.
Maybe on the road course with an '11 and up GT when it comes to the 07-2010 GT500's, but like Brian said, no contest in brute acceleration.

And even then on a fast track where the GT500 can flex its muscles, a new GT might be hard pressed to maintain an advantage.

The GT500 was able to fend off the Lotus Elise (not the Exige) at VIR by dent of its power during one of CD's LL's

However, since the GT500 is set top lose weight with the '11 model (and probably see a power bump as well) It will still be worth it. On the flip side, anybody who's wanted an 07-90 or '10 GT500 will probably get them for a very good price.
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 07:24 AM
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Seems kind of strange to go back and read what was said when the 03 Cobras first came out. The 99 and 01 Cobras had an aluminum block but Ford switched to an iron block when they added the blower in 03. The reasoning at time was that the aluminum block would not take the extra stress of the blower. A lot of people thought it was just to save money. The mid-engine Ford GT and now perhaps the 11 GT500 will be using an aluminum block and a blower. I guess the newer blocks are stronger, eh? Somebody should probably tell Jack Roush that he screwed up by putting blowers on all those 4.6 aluminum blocks.
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 08:42 AM
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Considering the GT will be able to trap in the neighborhood of about 6000-6100 rpm in fourth gear (manual......with the 3.31) , that means more time at high revs which I know this motor is going to love, should be able to put an SS on the trailer. Do the math with a 3.73, and a 27 inch tire, at 7000 rpm in 4th you get 114 mph. Remember, 4th is a 1.32 ratio. Coincidence? I think not. This will be the first car I can recall ever being geared nearly perfectly for the 1/4 mile using every bit of its four gears, from the factory, for its power to weight ratio. That is going to make a significant difference in et and mph with someone who can drive behind the wheel, not to mention with a set of drag radials. So, with all that said, a drag radial, 3.73 manual well driven (not afraid to speed shift) in good air GT, 12.25 at 112. This car may get an 11.99 with a tune and a exhaust added to the above mix, I know some are shaking their heads, that is pretty incredible performance and hard to believe, but its very possible looking at the numbers.

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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by blksn8k
Seems kind of strange to go back and read what was said when the 03 Cobras first came out. The 99 and 01 Cobras had an aluminum block but Ford switched to an iron block when they added the blower in 03. The reasoning at time was that the aluminum block would not take the extra stress of the blower. A lot of people thought it was just to save money. The mid-engine Ford GT and now perhaps the 11 GT500 will be using an aluminum block and a blower. I guess the newer blocks are stronger, eh? Somebody should probably tell Jack Roush that he screwed up by putting blowers on all those 4.6 aluminum blocks.
the iron block in the 03 cobra was about strength per dollar. Sure you can have aluminum ones as strong but not as cheap.


But about the 1/4 miles, i would agree with most and say 13.9 for the V6. I think the GT will be in the 12.7-12.8 range. Evan Smith driven i wouldn't be surprised to see a 12.5 on stock tires.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ManEHawke
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I can see as low as 12.3's stock with a manual and some hard launches. Low 1.6's
All drag racers know it depends on the location, track, and weather. Unless perfect conditions, I can't see the V6 doing 13.9's out the box. Most people will average mid low 14's. On drags, mid-high 13's.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight
the iron block in the 03 cobra was about strength per dollar. Sure you can have aluminum ones as strong but not as cheap.


But about the 1/4 miles, i would agree with most and say 13.9 for the V6. I think the GT will be in the 12.7-12.8 range. Evan Smith driven i wouldn't be surprised to see a 12.5 on stock tires.
I read somewhere on CamaroZ28 this:

I saw in the new MM&FF that Evan Smith was brought in by Ford and ran the new GT 36 times at the strip with engineers present. He was very impressed by the car but could not release specific times.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...+smith&page=15
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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I'll take a guess. The V-6 14.0 sec. 100 mph.
The 5.0L 12.8 sec. 112 mph.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 02:35 PM
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v-6 13.7 103.26
v-8 12.8 111.13
The new v-6 should be about the same as the 2005 v-8

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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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I think the V6 will knock at low 14s and the GT at LOW 13s or into the 12s with the right gearing.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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I think the V6 will knock at low 14s and the GT at LOW 13s or into the 12s with the right gearing.
I think you are right just because i do not think the traction will be there on stock tires.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 09:22 PM
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a bump for fun, since now we have weights, and rwhp numbers, see how close people really are gonna be
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