Agreed Knight, just hope Ford sees fit to make a new Boss 302 - the revised body just begs for it

 

Well, if we look at the following:

1. Ford made two versions of the Bullitt, the current car and the previous generation (so repeat performances are not out of the question).
2. The forthcoming redesign will run for four years.
3. The current S197 got two SEs (discounting the Shelbys): the GT/CS and the Bullitt.

So it is not unreasonable to speculate that this upcoming redesign may see two SE editions: a BOSS and a Mach 1.

If anyone wants to shoot holes in that logic, by all means, have at it...

 

I wouldn't call the GT/CS a special edition, anymore than you would call the Pony Package an SE

 

mines just a California Special , and I like the fact that it was a Factory order.

 

Really? Even though you buy a GT/CS the same way you buy a Bullitt?

 

I mean who would outperform who; Mach1 or Boss?

 

Then I guess the question becomes what does Ford consider a special edition? Admittedly, the GT/CS is just a trim package; the Bullitt offers substantive (though modest) performance gains.

 

Actually the forthcoming redesign will run for 6 years, if you count the remainder of this year. As the next major platform change won't take place until 2014, as a 2015 model a.k.a 50th anniversary edition on the all new GRWD platform.

 

my uncle has a 1969 mach 1 and two fastback with 302s their all pretty sweet and it will be cool to see the boss and mach 1 come back

 

Are you sure about this?

Reason I ask is that Ford made it clear this year that they plan on churning out refreshed models every four years from now on. So if we consider that the 2010 will run '10, '11, '12, '13 (with the '10 arriving in mid-'09)...then cannot we assume that the complete redesign will hit in late '13 as a 2014 model?

 

Well ... they could just change the body panels...no one really said the GRWD for sure will be used in 2013/2014.
They will restyle/refresh the look sooner ... to keep it from being stale.

 

Boss 302 will out perform the Mach on a road course.

Mach 1 will out perform Boss at the drag strip.

2 cars for different uses.

 

If you want to distinguish between Ford factory ordered and built Special Edition Mustangs, versus Ford standard "GT Upfitters Packages" shipped out and modified by a secondary manufacture like Saleen, Roush or Shelby, that makes sense.

But if your position is that the Ford factory ordered and Ford factory built S197 GT500 is not a Special Edition Mustang, there is a big flaw in your logic.

 

6 months ago, I would have said a 5.4 N/A was no brainer for Mach1 duty.
Now with the 5.0 in the pipeline, Im confused.......
Im sure we will see a 5.0 Boss aka Boss 302, hopefully true to its road course ready heritage.
My problem is, Im sure we will see another Mach1, but what engine? I dont have a clue.
Maybe its logical that the 5.0 Boss will have KR-ish suspension/or IRS and the 5.0 will see Mach1 duty also with some drag pack goodies from FRPP.
Maybe the bean counters will suggest just adding a blower on the current gen 4.6 3V for Mach1, but that would be asking for a lot and may be limited by that motor in its current form.
Reasons for confusion:
Never understood why the all aluminum 4.6 DOHC 4 V Mach1 engine wasnt the 05 GT base engine.
Never really understood the 4.6 3v choice for the GT
Never understood why they made the ultimate Shelby GT500 with a cast iron block.....just to name a few.
But, I am optimistic about the 5.0. so bring it on.

 

would ford do away with the gt in the 2011 year and turn it into the boss????? it doesnt make senst to do a gt and a boss with the same engine and a few small mods....although the bullit and gt/cs did just that.

 

The 4V heads add a big weight (don't have the actual figures handy, but it is many pounds) and huge cost penalty for ALMOST NO PERFORMANCE GAIN over the 3V heads in stock trim.

The main reason for using the cast iron block on the GT500 versus the existing aluminum GT 5.4 block, was plain and simple cost.

 

Of course, cost via fords point of view.
From my my point of view, I could be forced to live without the ambient lighting, HID headlights and navigation to be able to afford the cost of the the alum. block etc.
But, your right, its all about cost....but, I still dont understand it.

 

Now that I've seen the spy pics, Im wondering how a shaker would look...

 

Then I guess we can count the GT500 and Bullitt as the two true SEs we got.

 

and then there is the Warriors in Pink edition. Is it not an SE?

One of the differences between the CS/GT and the Bullitt, is the Bullitt is considered an SVT car.
That's not to say the CS isn't an SE in it's own right