2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 05:59 PM
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RWHP = 430

Don't ask me how I know that, but wait and see for yourself
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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...uh huh.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
... Trap speeds are a better indicator of rwhp than a dyno any day.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by macatowa
Don't ask me how I know that, but wait and see for yourself
lol!
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 06:36 PM
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430 rear-wheel horsepower?! You know that would put the 2011 GT at almost 500 crank horsepower, right?
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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on the 91 octane gas I predict 355-360RWHP. With 93 octane and and tune with no other mods I predict 375-380RWHP.

My 01 cobra laid down 280RWHP bone stock and my 03 cobra laid down 367RWHP bone stock; this is for comparison on stock Ford motors.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
OEM horsepower ratings are very subjective, lots of factors go into what numbers they rate them at beyond whatever number it actually makes. Just like the obviously under-rated numbers for the Termi motors.

I think it is a shame that Ford didn't go one step further in developing this new 5.0 motor and make it a direct injection motor. They could have raised the compression even higher, on the order of 12.5:1, and probably could have been knocking on the 500 HP door.

no probably not

the 5.0 DOHC direct injected 11.8:1 in the is-f only makes 4 more hp
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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Regardless of the dyno numbers, I think you're gonna see '11 GT Manuals trap about 110 mph in the 1/4 mile (mid 12's) and '11 GT Automatics trap about 108 mph in the 1/4 mile (high 12's). Trap speeds are a better indicator of rwhp than a dyno any day.
My prediction is going to be around 112-114mph, as E92 M3's with similar weight and hp numbers has achieved the same. Maybe wishful thinking. Car and Driver did 12.6 @113mph and Road and Track did 12.5@114.8mph!!

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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave07997S
My prediction is going to be around 112-114mph, as E92 M3's with similar weight and hp numbers has achieved the same. Maybe wishful thinking. Car and Driver did 12.6 @113mph and Road and Track did 12.5@114.8mph!!

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MPH numbers like those, it should be 12.0's, so it isn't getting off the line hard enough.

Here's a nifty HP and E.T. calculator if you want to play with the numbers.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/619.shtml

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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
MPH numbers like those, it should be 12.0's, so it isn't getting off the line hard enough.

Here's a nifty HP and E.T. calculator if you want to play with the numbers.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/619.shtml

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For a more accurate estimate, on the weight, I assume I would need to add in the weight of my fat ****.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Skotty
For a more accurate estimate, on the weight, I assume I would need to add in the weight of my fat ****.
Yup, wet weight of the car plus driver, wet or not...
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 08:26 PM
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Oh, and the weights usually quoted for cars from the OEM are dry weights, no fuel, oil or gas added.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
Yup, wet weight of the car plus driver, wet or not...
Guess if I want to race, I should cut back on the doritos.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 08:40 PM
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Using that calculator and using a wet weight with driver of 4000 lbs. and plugging in 412 HP puts the E.T. @ 12.42 and MPH @ 109.68

Of course that is with good traction and gearing, say the optional 3.73's and some drag radials or slicks.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
Using that calculator and using a wet weight with driver of 4000 lbs. and plugging in 412 HP puts the E.T. @ 12.42 and MPH @ 109.68

Of course that is with good traction and gearing, say the optional 3.73's and some drag radials or slicks.
Domestic automakers quote curb weight which means a full tank of gas. 3600lbs + driver - a little gas should produce a more accurate result. Try 3750 or so.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
Depends on dyno type. All of this "multiply by .85" stuff is BS.
Agreed, .85 = Internet Correction Factor. I find it laughable that if say a 2011 GT modded to put out 1000 hp at the crank would lose 150hp through the same drivetrain that abosrbed only 61hp.

Of course the flip side being all those bone stock 500+ hp at the crank from the factory LS3's GM is producing.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave07997S
My prediction is going to be around 112-114mph, as E92 M3's with similar weight and hp numbers has achieved the same. Maybe wishful thinking. Car and Driver did 12.6 @113mph and Road and Track did 12.5@114.8mph!!

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Was it an SMG car Dave?
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
They could have raised the compression even higher, on the order of 12.5:1, and probably could have been knocking on the 500 HP door.
A 1 point raise in compression is good for about 3% gain in output. This gain decreases as compression ratio increases though. Figure a 4% gain at 12.5:1 and you only get a gain of 16.5hp for a total of 428.5hp...that's a long ways from 500.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Stinger
A 1 point raise in compression is good for about 3% gain in output. This gain decreases as compression ratio increases though. Figure a 4% gain at 12.5:1 and you only get a gain of 16.5hp for a total of 428.5hp...that's a long ways from 500.
Your not taking into account the direct injection and ECM tuning that would have to go along with that.

It doesn't matter, it's not going to happen.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 04:43 PM
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I have read that Ford engineered the 5.0 so that DI can be added in the future, and it probably will. But I am plenty happy with 412, as thats almost as much as the competitiors with many more cubes.
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