2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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Wow. I thought it did. That's an expensive package then. I think most of the GT500 takeoff parts can be gotten fairly cheap on eBay to make your own track pack.
You can probably get all of the parts, but you won't be able to get the tuning. When one of the Ford engineers was here he made it quite clear that it wouldn't be easy to duplicate the track pack on your own...
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 05:37 PM
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2010 TP

Track Pack-equipped ‘Stang adds a unique set of dampers, a front strut-tower brace, carbon fiber clutch plates, shorter 3.73 axle ratio, a limited-slip differential, dual-piston front calipers with performance brake pads, recalibrated stability control (AdvanceTrack tuning), a set of cast-aluminum 19-inch wheels with 255/40ZR19 Pirelli P Zero summer performance tires, plus several pieces from the current Shelby GT500, including its front and rear antiroll bars, rear lower trailing links and front upper strut mounts.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 09:05 PM
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MT: Further, the 2011 has retained the sporty, agile, and responsive sensations that we loved so much in the 2010 GT, and dialed them up a notch. Retuned springs and dampers, larger anti-roll bars, and the aforementioned electric power steering all contribute to improved dynamics.


AB: Not only is the front of the V8 much stiffer than its smaller, lighter sibling, but the entire car has been hardened by 15 percent compared to the 2010 model.
The 2011 Ford Mustang GT sports the very best solid rear axle in the world. We'd rather have the best solid axle than a mediocre multi-point rear. Hint, hint, Chevy. 'Nuff said.


CD: Last year, a 2010 Mustang beat a Camaro and a Challenger in a comparison test based largely on its handling merits, and the new model is even better. It turns sharply and holds a precise trajectory through a turn. Although the rear end remains a live axle, the body isn’t tossed off course by pitching pavement or camber changes. In matchups with the independently sprung Camaro, we’ve come away lauding Ford’s decision to stick with the live axle. [WHAT?? ]
The company has made it work, and if it saves weight and the customer money, so much the better.

J: The GT now has 12 percent more lateral stiffness thanks to a new Z-brace which enables Ford to fit stiffer springs and dampers without ruining the ride quality and larger sway bars front and rear without turning it into an understeering nightmare like the Camaro. Control arms from the GT500 keep the live rear axle from misbehaving. [thicker anti-sway bars with bushings now bolted to the bar to control its movement more effectively.]
This must be what it feels like to have your kid come home with a report card that is straight A's.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dmhines
Wow. I thought it did. That's an expensive package then. I think most of the GT500 takeoff parts can be gotten fairly cheap on eBay to make your own track pack.
I think the Pirelli P Zero summer tires are a lot more expensive than the P Zero Nero all season tires.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by deepc285
2010 Track Pack-equipped ‘Stang adds a
1) unique set of dampers,
2) a front strut-tower brace,
3) carbon fiber clutch plates,
4) shorter 3.73 axle ratio,
5) a limited-slip differential,
6) dual-piston front calipers with performance brake pads,
recalibrated stability control (AdvanceTrack tuning), a set of cast-aluminum 19-inch wheels with 255/40ZR19 Pirelli P Zero summer performance tires, plus several pieces from the current Shelby GT500, including its front and rear antiroll bars, rear lower trailing links and front upper strut mounts.
Items 1-6 are from the 08/09 Bullitt for the '10. My question is about the rear end. Is it from the GT500KR?

As reported by RCSignals and confirmed by Ford Engineer s197_guy, the 08/09 Bullitt has the KR rear end. I'm wondering if it carried forward into the 10 and/or 11. Just out of curiosity.



Originally Posted by s197_guy
List of Bullitt axle upgrades over the base 8.8" GT

The following is the complete list of all upgrades for the Bullitt 3.73 axle:

1. Higher strength differential case material
2. 9x13 differential gear tooth combination (GT is 10 x 14)
3. Differential gears receive premium shot peening
4. Anerobic adhesive added between the differential case and ring gear
5. Higher capacity head bearing (with shim)

All other components in the Bullitt axle are common with the base GT 8.8" axle

Also, the axle code is V-257. The code is found on two stickers on the axle. One is on the right axle tube, near the vent cap. The other is on the differential cover.

RCSignals did add some additional precision to the response about the axles. They are 31-spline units tucked into the thicker tubes from the GT500. Also, the rear differential gears in the 3.73 units are stronger for duty in the GT500KR.


Ford Bulletin: effective date 11/12/2008: 20545 2007-2009 Mustang GT 500 and Bullitt – carbon fiber limited slip-noise-normal characteristics.
2007-2009 Mustang Bullitt and Mustang Shelby GT 500. The Mustang Bullitt and GT 500 limited slid differentials are equipped with heavy duty/racing type carbon fiber clutches. This type of limited slip differential may exhibit a chatter or moan groan noise when making sharp low speed turns. These noises are a normal characteristic of the heavy duty/racing type limited slip differential.

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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RandyW
I think the Pirelli P Zero summer tires are a lot more expensive than the P Zero Nero all season tires.
yes they are . . . and you'll be lucky to get more than 10,000 miles out of them . . . makes me wonder whether I really want the new V6 Performance Pack
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bert
yes they are . . . and you'll be lucky to get more than 10,000 miles out of them . . . makes me wonder whether I really want the new V6 Performance Pack
10k? Thats it?
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
10k? Thats it?
depends on driving style. I think the treadwear rating is 220. If you drive halfway normal you can get 15k out of them.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bert
and you'll be lucky to get more than 10,000 miles out of them
Only if you drive like your hair's on fire all the time!

On my '99 Lightning I had Nitto Drag radials and was warned that I would probably not get more than 7-8K out of them but I got almost 15K out of them and that included racing about once a month.

All depends on how you drive.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bert

yes they are . . . and you'll be lucky to get more than 10,000 miles out of them . . . makes me wonder whether I really want the new V6 Performance Pack
which pirelli pzero tires are they exactly
tirerack lists 4 in 255/40/19

pzero (no service description)
pzero rosso 96w
pzero rosso 100y
pzero system 100y
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 11:59 AM
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By my new found internet knowledge thanks to wikipedia , I calculate the summer only tires will last about 25k miles if you drive normally.

According to wiki the treadware rating can be used as a ratio to compare the tread's life to that of another tire. Meaning a tire with a 200 rating will last twice as long as one with a 100 rating (estimating of course).

I compared them to the stock Pirelli All-Seasons on the GT, which have a treadlife warranty of 45k miles and a tread rating of 400.

220/400= 0.55
0.55*45000=24750 ~ 25k miles

Of course driving and road conditions can alter this value dramatically
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 12:19 PM
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Tire spec link (survey, reviews, etc)

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...l&sortValue=15
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 05:19 PM
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Treadware doesn't mean ****. You can also only use it to compare to tires of the same make as there is no standard. I've gone 40,000 miles on 180 treadwear Bridgestone summer only and 15,000 miles on 300 treadwear BFG KDW.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
Treadware doesn't mean ****. You can also only use it to compare to tires of the same make as there is no standard. I've gone 40,000 miles on 180 treadwear Bridgestone summer only and 15,000 miles on 300 treadwear BFG KDW.
Good thing they are both Pirellis!

I want my internet calcs to be worth something
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
10k? Thats it?
that's about what the Camaro guys say they have been getting . . . maybe a little more like 12-14K, maybe a little less like 8K . . . I can't say from personal experience because I have none . . . obviously it does depend on how you drive; but the are a soft compound which is partly why they work so well
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 04:42 AM
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I'll just throw a supercharger on the CS and call it a day

one mo time!!! that body style DID NOT GROW ON ME.

front A+
rear D-

I just can't cope with having an ugly azz, especially with all the cars in my rearview.
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bert
that's about what the Camaro guys say they have been getting . . . maybe a little more like 12-14K, maybe a little less like 8K . . . I can't say from personal experience because I have none . . . obviously it does depend on how you drive; but the are a soft compound which is partly why they work so well
Dangit Bert you're throwing a wrench in my plans! I don't want tires that only last 8k...
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
Dangit Bert you're throwing a wrench in my plans! I don't want tires that only last 8k...
you probably should find some more reliable information to make the decision, my "internet wisdom" is notoriously unreliable!

I was pretty shocked when I read it on Camaro5 . . . but you know how those Camaro guys drive ;-) . . . when the first set wears out you can always replace them with something harder

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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bert
you probably should find some more reliable information to make the decision, my "internet wisdom" is notoriously unreliable!

I was pretty shocked when I read it on Camaro5 . . . but you know how those Camaro guys drive ;-) . . . when the first set wears out you can always replace them with something harder
Lol I'll take it with a grain of salt
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
10k? Thats it?
You will get more than 10k miles out of them as long as you aren't doing burnouts like you are seeing on these videos. My 997 has the PZero summer tires and I have 20k miles on the front and the rears went out at 13k miles. Keep in mind a 911 has 63% of its weight on the rear of these cars and they chew up rear tires at an alarming rate. I think you could probably squeeze 15-20k miles out of a set as long as you aren't tearing up pavement every chance you get.

Also, manafacturers have different ways they rate tire wear. You can't compare a Pirelli 220 treadware to a Michelin, it has to be among the same manafacturer.

Dave
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