I was wondering the same thing. 87 starts the line up in Indiana as well.

Only time I saw 85 was in Wyoming on vacation.

 

I had never heard of anyone selling 85 before lol, i thought lowest was 87 before RC mentioned 85.

 

I am worried about both longevity and maintenance with these turbo's, especially with the 4 bangers!

 

Why? Unless you are basing your fear on technology from 25 years ago. Turbos are incredibly common now. And every bit as reliable as non turbo'd cars. From Japan to Germany to the UK turbos have really come around. (Subaru, BMW, Mini, Volkwagen, Audi, Volvo, Porshe, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Ford UK, Chrysler, Mazda, Peugeot, all use turbo charged engines, many of which are 4cyl).

I wouldn't worry about longevity. I know several people who have TC'd cars with over 100,000 miles on them maintaned properly and still running strong.

Maintenance is the same as a standard engine. make sure your oil is changed regularly and you should be good to go. Current turbo designs are much improved over the older ones that had coking issues.

Why would a turbo 4 be any different then a 6 or an 8.

I have this conversation with lots of people having owned 6 TC'd cars in my life. All the fears seem to stem from the image turbos receive from racing. Highly modified oversized turbos reaking havoc on the engines and the turbos guts. I have yet to know someone who had a stock turbo Supra, Eclipse, or WRX that blew the turbo or damaged the engines. The people I know who have modified their engines, most not knowing the ramifications or dynamics of doing so.

One problem I always run into is that people think all they need to do is swap out the turbo for a larger turbo. The turbo is a system If you increase the turbo size or increase boost, you need to address the entire system.

That said, turbos are much more complex for those of you looking to modify. there is no easy pulley swap to get you extra boost. sure you can put a boost controller on there to up the boost of your turbo, but how does that effect the system.

Just my 2 cents.

 

I will tell you the one thing that could make a turbo car not as reliable which can be fixed with a turbo timer.

cars are much better now but it even states in the mazda book to do this on my 2008 model.

After running the car hard or long, when you stop they say to let the engine idle for 30sec to allow turbo to cool off and oil drain from the turbo. if you shut off the engine while the turbo is very hot it can cook the oil that will not be flowing with engine off and can casue the turbo to fail.

 

1st pics of new Mustang be in late Aug.

 

Ethanol does reduce mpg. It's not just your car.

It's something the public isn't generally aware of. Now with all gas having some Ethanol people are blaming auto manufacturers for poorer economy when it is the fuel.

 

Guess or you know?

 

I would have expected better mileage.

 

Reportedly the Ford does get better fuel economy.

 

I hope you're right... But how do you know this? Guess?

 

true, the ecoboost is supposed to be better then the current mazda offereing.

 

You and me both!!

 

Frank is usually very accurate. He knows things

 

Sometimes... hit and miss

 

Well, I am waiting for a sneak peak well in advance of L.A.

Maybe September...

 

I haven't missed the la autoshow in years. Definitely will be at this one.

 

used to go just about every year and stopped a couple of years back. I'll have to make this one just to get some good pics. Don't think I've ever been there for an unveiling.

 

They better hurry up, we're running out of late August quickly

 

Guess we aren't getting those pics by the end of Aug.