mustang_sallad

Check out these press releases:
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?...4&make_id=trust

haven't had a chance to read em all, but it looks pretty sweet. News on the new 3.5 litre engine, they're estimating 250hp at 6250rpm and 240lb-ft at 4500rpm.
They've got a sheet of technical specs for both the engine and the new front-wheel drive 6-speed transmission co-developed with GM.

Also, they've started work on the 3rd generation of hybrid transaxles. The 1st gen is what they've got on the escapes, 2nd gen will be on the milans and fusions. This third gen will be able to work with both 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Score!

Zastava_101

Good find.

1999 Black 35th GT

Great articles!

Those 3.5L's are going to be great. They have some great torque too

mustang_sallad

ya, i'm surprised about the torque. people were suggesting this thing wouldn't have as much torque as the 4.0 v6

1999 Black 35th GT

The 4.0 ranges from 238 in the Ranger at the low end to 254 in the Explorer at the high end torque wise. Ford has always been able to get really good torque out of their engines.

With the CVT trans, the 500 with a 3.5 V6 would feel really nice.

cheech6g

yeh i agree. does anyone know when there gunna do a facelift for the 500. i heard they were going to give it the tri-bar grill, like the fusion. whenever that is, im sure then they'll start putting in the new 3.5L

mustang_sallad

ya, that's definitely the plan. I've heard its gonna be for the 2008 MY, so not until well over a year from now if that's the case. Hopefully it'll be a bit sooner, maybe they'll bring it up to the 2007 MY so we could start seeing updated 500s by next year at this time. Or maybe it could be 2008MY but just one of those crazy early releases, like in march of 2007 or something.

TomServo92

I'm surprised none of you mentioned this little tidbit from the article:

mustang_sallad

ooh, nice, i definitely didn't catch that. Direct inject is sweet, everybody's starting to do it too, audi, VW, lexus... others i'm sure.

And ya, maybe a turbo 3.5L for the SVT fusion??? oh baby, that'd be darn cool.

Autotooner

nice find

Lalo

Surprised no one has talked about switching the 4.0 in the Mustang for the new 3.5! What do you guys think?

esorense

We are seeing a lot more posts on the 3.5 engine now appearing in different threads. This thread contains my thoughts -- Right now I'd be opposed to it. They'd have to change a lot of details on this engine for me to support putting it in the 'stang --



http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=35723

mustang_sallad

i remember it coming up maybe like a year ago. If its more powerful and more efficient, I don't see why not, but I think they said they're keeping the 4.0. 250hp from 3.5L sounds a lot better than 210hp from 4.0L, but what really counts is hp vs mpg. I wish they could tell us what the fuel flow rate into the engine is at peak power output. That would really tell you how efficient an engine is. Power/fuel flow rate... basically works out to energy output/ energy input.... how much of the energy stored in the fuel is the engine actually putting out to the crankshaft. That's what's important! not hp/litre...

TomServo92

It's huge improvement over the old 4.0L. None of your reasons make any sense to me. You're looking at a single picture of the engine and making some very broad assumptions about how it would fit in the Mustang without taking into account the configuration of the engine could change depending upon the application. That the exhaust sound will be wrong for the Mustang is the most ludicrous argument of all.

esorense

:scratch: I stated in my thread that Ford would have to make a lot of changes to the motor in order for it to fit into the Mustang -- in character -- so the Mustang will still act 'like a Mustang' and the car we expect. All the things I outlined / complained about where possible changes which IMHO Ford would have to address. I'm not writing this motor off, I'm stating (now for a 2nd time) that Ford would have to address some concerns that Mustang folks care about which buyers of minivans/soccer-mommy-crossover-hybrid-van-wagon-I-live-in-the-suburbs-whatchamacallits-on-wheels/Exploder SUV's quite simply DONT care about. That includes concerns about Torque, Vitamin T and a decent exhaust to boot. Like they did with the 4.0, they will have to make the 3.5 'Unique to the application' for those units bolted into Stangs. If you read the 2005 Mustang Product Guide and closely inspect the 4.0 motor, you see a lot of detail changes went into the 4.0 just for those units installed in the Stang..

Ford would have to do the same for the 3.5....

ManEHawke

I would like to know at what RPM's that power it maxing out at. If its a peppy low-end motor it could be Mustang material, but we won't know how it behaves without a dyno graph.
We can get in the mid/high 14's with just an intake & tune, how the 3.5 responds to Mustang mod hungry guys is important as well.

TomServo92

Then perhaps I misunderstood your post. I took it as a criticism of the design regardless of how it might be configured for a particular application.

ManEHawke

I just caught this from the 1st post
"estimating 250hp at 6250rpm and 240lb-ft at 4500rpm."
The way it seems it's a bit high for a Mustang, currently it's at 210@5300, 240@3500

I agree that with a few changes to it it may be up to the task. It's a great sophisticaded powerplant for Ford no doubt however

TomServo92

The article also says this:

It's really hard to tell until we can see the torque curve.

Knight

I think the 3.5 would be good for the mustang... An engine that makes peak hp at 5300 rpm shouldn't be in a car nowadays.