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Originally Posted by Moosetang
They were saying the same thing about laissez faire Capitalism a couple years ago. It's a complex world.
Somebody learned a new word.
I don't mean to be rude. But if you think what happened a couple of years ago had anything to do with laissez faire policies you need to get a refund on that education you got.
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B) I did not insult him, or you. So why insult me twice in one post?
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Originally Posted by Moosetang
A) I didn't voice any of my thoughts on the subject, I was pointing out the irony in his statement given what "they," in this case European Socialists, were saying during our own initial crisis..
B) I did not insult him, or you. So why insult me twice in one post?
I wasn't aware given your posts over the years that you had seen the light as it were and come over to support the dark side, Capitalism, as the current powers that be try to use it as a negative label much in the same way liberal was in the 80s and 90s.
I never mistook your response for an insult to him. That's not why I posted. I took it as a response. But I did take it as you supporting what "they" said and if I took that part wrong then i gladly stand corrected.
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My issue is really with the term laissez faire and it's constant misuse. The closest thing to a laissez faire market in the real world might be the illegal drug trade if you ignore law enforcements role in attempting to shut it down.
There simply is no such thing in our real world as an unregulated market. It just isn't allowed to happen under the Feds rule. In my opinion everything is heavily regulated and the Feds use this as a tool to control the free markets and save us from ourselves and the evil Capitalists.
The problem is if the government is involved, especially in oversight, then there is little hope of any success. They really know how to screw a pooch. Exactly as Congress and Bush and the bureaucrats did in telling the home mortgage companies they better lend to a more diverse clientele or risk sanction. Assuring that people would receive mortgages that were unqualified to pay them and starting the snowball down the hill toxic mortgages and in essence junk bonds insured all at the same window with no real financial
backing by AIG.
It was a real cluster ****. But it was started by government not leaving the free markets to conduct their own business. With reasonable regulation of course.
Don't even get me started on GM...
There simply is no such thing in our real world as an unregulated market. It just isn't allowed to happen under the Feds rule. In my opinion everything is heavily regulated and the Feds use this as a tool to control the free markets and save us from ourselves and the evil Capitalists.
The problem is if the government is involved, especially in oversight, then there is little hope of any success. They really know how to screw a pooch. Exactly as Congress and Bush and the bureaucrats did in telling the home mortgage companies they better lend to a more diverse clientele or risk sanction. Assuring that people would receive mortgages that were unqualified to pay them and starting the snowball down the hill toxic mortgages and in essence junk bonds insured all at the same window with no real financial
backing by AIG.
It was a real cluster ****. But it was started by government not leaving the free markets to conduct their own business. With reasonable regulation of course.
Don't even get me started on GM...
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Why is Ford dropping the Escape Hybrid? Because they determined it was the right thing to do for their bottom line. They could be right or wrong, but they know best how to run their own business.
They've shown that over the last couple of years.
Why is Ford dropping the Escape Hybrid? Because they determined it was the right thing to do for their bottom line. They could be right or wrong, but they know best how to run their own business.
They've shown that over the last couple of years.
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2013 Ford Escape Tentatively Priced
http://blog.caranddriver.com/2013-fo...tively-priced/
The Ford site’s page for the new 2013 Escape now displays a configurator with pricing (sort of) for the crossover’s four trim levels, as well as feature and engine availability in each trim. We say “sort of” because the prices listed online are actually variable by up to $1000 for the same model. As the “for survey purposes only” disclaimer in the upper-right portion corner suggests, Ford is using the site to gather data on prospective buyers’ wants and price perceptions.
A Ford spokesperson told us the prices on the site, approximate though they may be, are more or less representative of the final figures that will be released next month. On the configurator, the base Escape S is listed around $23,000—darn close to the outgoing model’s $22,265 price of entry—although it’s not clear whether this number includes a destination charge. The SE’s price generally matches with that of the now-defunct Escape XLS, and the same can be said for the SEL comp[ared to the old XLT model. Expect that top-spec Titanium model’s price to nuzzle the $30,000 mark—it’s tentatively listed around $30,000 on the site—territory previously occupied by the discontinued hybrid model.
The web site also outlines the Escape’s engine applications. The new crossover’s powerplants consist of a 2.5-liter four; a turbocharged, direct-injected 1.6-liter EcoBoost four; and a 2.0-liter EcoBoost four. All route their output through a six-speed automatic. The base S trim is exclusively front-wheel drive and gets the 2.5-liter. All-wheel drive becomes available on the SE, with a choice of 1.6- or 2.0-liter EcoBoost power. The same applies to the SEL, while the Titanium will come only with the more-powerful 2.0-liter EcoBoost and the choice of two or four driven wheels.
Given the number of powertrain and infotainment updates packed into the new Escape, the (tentative) lack of significant price increases is a good thing. That said, these Escapes likely will not be subject to as many incentives, rebates, and lease deals. At least not until this generation is a decade old—but let’s hope that doesn’t happen again.
The Ford site’s page for the new 2013 Escape now displays a configurator with pricing (sort of) for the crossover’s four trim levels, as well as feature and engine availability in each trim. We say “sort of” because the prices listed online are actually variable by up to $1000 for the same model. As the “for survey purposes only” disclaimer in the upper-right portion corner suggests, Ford is using the site to gather data on prospective buyers’ wants and price perceptions.
A Ford spokesperson told us the prices on the site, approximate though they may be, are more or less representative of the final figures that will be released next month. On the configurator, the base Escape S is listed around $23,000—darn close to the outgoing model’s $22,265 price of entry—although it’s not clear whether this number includes a destination charge. The SE’s price generally matches with that of the now-defunct Escape XLS, and the same can be said for the SEL comp[ared to the old XLT model. Expect that top-spec Titanium model’s price to nuzzle the $30,000 mark—it’s tentatively listed around $30,000 on the site—territory previously occupied by the discontinued hybrid model.
The web site also outlines the Escape’s engine applications. The new crossover’s powerplants consist of a 2.5-liter four; a turbocharged, direct-injected 1.6-liter EcoBoost four; and a 2.0-liter EcoBoost four. All route their output through a six-speed automatic. The base S trim is exclusively front-wheel drive and gets the 2.5-liter. All-wheel drive becomes available on the SE, with a choice of 1.6- or 2.0-liter EcoBoost power. The same applies to the SEL, while the Titanium will come only with the more-powerful 2.0-liter EcoBoost and the choice of two or four driven wheels.
Given the number of powertrain and infotainment updates packed into the new Escape, the (tentative) lack of significant price increases is a good thing. That said, these Escapes likely will not be subject to as many incentives, rebates, and lease deals. At least not until this generation is a decade old—but let’s hope that doesn’t happen again.
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