slowing down sequential tail lights
8/30/11, 10:25 AM
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slowing down sequential tail lights
I recently got a 2007 and installed Web Electrics sequential tail lights.
I am happy with them. However, I wish I could slow down the flash, so
that it would be a little more pronounced. Blink---Blink---Blink vs the
standard Blink-Blink-Blink. Since the 07 doesn't have a separate flasher and is run thru the smart junction box, I'm lost. In 1968, I didn't have
any Shelby's in my neighborhood, I did have a 68 Cougar crash in my
front yard with its turn signals on. That was my first experience with
sequentials and I have loved them ever since. The 68 Cougar had a bigger 3-section tail light than say the 68 Mustang, so I considered the Cougar
to have a more pronouned blink and therefore, more distinct. I have been in touch with Web Electrics and Ford but neither have any suggestions.
What say you Pony's?
I am happy with them. However, I wish I could slow down the flash, so
that it would be a little more pronounced. Blink---Blink---Blink vs the
standard Blink-Blink-Blink. Since the 07 doesn't have a separate flasher and is run thru the smart junction box, I'm lost. In 1968, I didn't have
any Shelby's in my neighborhood, I did have a 68 Cougar crash in my
front yard with its turn signals on. That was my first experience with
sequentials and I have loved them ever since. The 68 Cougar had a bigger 3-section tail light than say the 68 Mustang, so I considered the Cougar
to have a more pronouned blink and therefore, more distinct. I have been in touch with Web Electrics and Ford but neither have any suggestions.
What say you Pony's?
8/30/11, 02:34 PM
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It has been discussed before and I believe it would have to be a program change made to adjust the timer that controls them. I have been wanting to do this also. I wonder if the 10-11 smart box would be a feasable solution. Those seem to have a differant blink rate than the 05-09.
8/30/11, 04:07 PM
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Make your own, resistors change the sequencing pattern. Here's an example:
http://www.redcircuits.com/Page105.htm
But by no means the only way. This one I like because out of 8 or 16 outputs, surely 3 of them would be to your liking... and you could even do a 'fade in/fade out' with this one.
Now, on the 2010+, I dunno if you could do this. You'd probably have a LOT of fun wiring that, being as those are LEDs and all... but on the 2005-2009, this is a pretty simple, overall, mod. If you used that diagram, instead of the LED bars, you'd run 3 relays connected to your outputs to switch power on and off to the actual lights.
Yes, it'd be a nicely sized project box, but you'd only have to do two, and hide them in the trunk. But you would have the ultimate control on what your three lights do. You could do sequence/off, or chase, or reverse sequence/chase, or 'random'... whatever you want within the time limits of a 'blink'
This would, though, replicate what you have with those sequencers: They 'see' the incoming turn/brake lamp signal to ON, and automatically sequence. IF the signal goes off (flashing) then the lights are turned off. Simple and effective... and makes the brakes and emergency flashers sequence too, which I'm not a fan of, but hey, simple is always good.
Of course, you could figure out how to discretely know which is supposed to happen by monitoring whether the brake switch is on, the flashers are on, or the turn signal is on, and make changes to the circuit... but I'd probably not do it that way. Too complicated.
/then again, this is not exactly simple, is it?
//I doubt you can change the timing of the bought ones without their incorporating a dial or something themselves. It's a timing thing, and it's set.
http://www.redcircuits.com/Page105.htm
But by no means the only way. This one I like because out of 8 or 16 outputs, surely 3 of them would be to your liking... and you could even do a 'fade in/fade out' with this one.
Now, on the 2010+, I dunno if you could do this. You'd probably have a LOT of fun wiring that, being as those are LEDs and all... but on the 2005-2009, this is a pretty simple, overall, mod. If you used that diagram, instead of the LED bars, you'd run 3 relays connected to your outputs to switch power on and off to the actual lights.
Yes, it'd be a nicely sized project box, but you'd only have to do two, and hide them in the trunk. But you would have the ultimate control on what your three lights do. You could do sequence/off, or chase, or reverse sequence/chase, or 'random'... whatever you want within the time limits of a 'blink'
This would, though, replicate what you have with those sequencers: They 'see' the incoming turn/brake lamp signal to ON, and automatically sequence. IF the signal goes off (flashing) then the lights are turned off. Simple and effective... and makes the brakes and emergency flashers sequence too, which I'm not a fan of, but hey, simple is always good.
Of course, you could figure out how to discretely know which is supposed to happen by monitoring whether the brake switch is on, the flashers are on, or the turn signal is on, and make changes to the circuit... but I'd probably not do it that way. Too complicated.
/then again, this is not exactly simple, is it?
//I doubt you can change the timing of the bought ones without their incorporating a dial or something themselves. It's a timing thing, and it's set.
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8/30/11, 04:11 PM
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the plug and play 05-09 still use the oem (single wire) blink rate, which I think was about a 50% cycle on-off...really with the sequentials, it would be better with 75% on/25% off, then increase the delay in the harness...however, getting the SJB reprogrammed probably aint ever gonna happen, and then getting a custom set of delay adjusted plug and play sockets wont happen either... Ive thought the same thing before- the 3rd bulb barely comes on at all. slowing the brakelight sequencing too would kinda look silly- I wish brakelights didnt sequence.
as the 10+ came with sequentials, each bulb has a separate wire- if you could adapt a 10+ box/harness(or get the 10 SJB program and run the extra 4 wires) that might work- (what else changed on the 10+?) and would also eliminate brakelight sequencing... but as far as slowing down the 05-09 plug in sequential add ons, I dont think its possible.
thinking about the 10 SJB, maybe I'll ask Kevin Casey to check into that- maybe he could find out?
as the 10+ came with sequentials, each bulb has a separate wire- if you could adapt a 10+ box/harness(or get the 10 SJB program and run the extra 4 wires) that might work- (what else changed on the 10+?) and would also eliminate brakelight sequencing... but as far as slowing down the 05-09 plug in sequential add ons, I dont think its possible.
thinking about the 10 SJB, maybe I'll ask Kevin Casey to check into that- maybe he could find out?
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8/30/11, 07:41 PM
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the plug and play replacement sequential harnesses always sequence- brake and turn...I know webelectric or someone made one with a box that went in the trunk, and you had to run 2 wires to the sjb, but all the 'plug in' types just use the existing turn/brake filament wire, and add their delays on the two outer bulbs at the socket.
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The new WebElectricts have a cross over cord which if used, cause the brake lights to not sequence. No more sjb wire runs which I wondered about with my older set.
8/31/11, 06:09 AM
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Correct. When I installed my seq tail lights on my 07, all things were plug and play just like factory original stuff. Yes there is a 6ft or so telephone type connector to run from the left light to the right light that does away with flasher and brake light
seq. A nice feature since some states would pull you over for the brake flash and it
also helps not to confuse the driver behind you. The only thing I didn't like is Ford's
installation of the taillights and the fact to replace a bulb you have to remove the entire tail light housing from the car. That seems like a bonehead move to me.
P.S. there was no running wires to the front.
seq. A nice feature since some states would pull you over for the brake flash and it
also helps not to confuse the driver behind you. The only thing I didn't like is Ford's
installation of the taillights and the fact to replace a bulb you have to remove the entire tail light housing from the car. That seems like a bonehead move to me.
P.S. there was no running wires to the front.
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These guys let you change from sequential to chase - maybe they'd know.
http://www.meter4it.com/2005_to_2009_mustang.htm
http://www.meter4it.com/2005_to_2009_mustang.htm
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cdynaco,
I don't think so, as they mention the timing being controled by the flasher, which my 07 doesn't have. However, if I remember, your link might have been a little dated, so maybe things have changed.
I don't think so, as they mention the timing being controled by the flasher, which my 07 doesn't have. However, if I remember, your link might have been a little dated, so maybe things have changed.
9/1/11, 10:48 PM
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The kit does the same thing: 'listen' for a brake/turn light signal to go 'on' and when it 'hears' it, hit the sequence/chase/flash, depending on what you have set. When the signal goes to 'off', the 'end' sequence is performed for the chase, otherwise, the lights just go off. It's not using the flasher at all, it's simply 'listening' to the brake/turn light signals.
They *might* put in an extra bit of potentiometer, or switches, or whatever, to change the delays between lights, but it'd be custom, and you'd pay dearly, in comparison.
They *might* put in an extra bit of potentiometer, or switches, or whatever, to change the delays between lights, but it'd be custom, and you'd pay dearly, in comparison.
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9/10/11, 06:32 AM
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According to Ford, the turn signal flash is not one of the programmable items on the SJB. So I guess for the time being I'll live with my Web Electric Sequentials that I've had for about 6 wks. They work great, it's just I would like a little slower flash. Maybe if I get around to selling the ones I have now, I'll try the ones from Drake.
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slowing down sequential turn lights
I need a qualified automotive electrical expert to answer this one for me. I want to slow down the speed of my Web Electrics Seq. tail lights. If I added a front turn signal wiring harness, tapping off the existing wiring harness on both sides, would it slow down the rear flash seq by the added load. I would have to seal the lamps from the weather and I was figuring to just have them shine downward or toward the engine.
Just a thought.....
Just a thought.....
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