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I thought I put this to rest .....
Guess not. My Car, My Mods - I make the payments and its the way I want it to look. Besides am dropping a 4.6 liter engine with forged internals & a supercharger next year once I pay this baby off. So ever one should just take a chill pill and live & let live. This is just plain 
to even discuss this any further.
to even discuss this any further.
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I think the Shelby ***** might need a bit of a reality check here. So I will graciously offer one.
Carroll Shelby deserves plenty kudos for a number of things, but don't get too hung up on the "Oh its not a REAL Shelby" rhetoric.
Let me show you a few REAL Shelbys:
Shelby is probably a pretty cool guy in many respects. He was once a test pilot, and he had a very promising career in professional racing as a driver before being diagnosed with a heart problem. He overcame that setback and started his own company. He managed race teams, built race cars, and built and sold street cars for profit and homologation purposes. His race team management led to Ford winning the 24 Hours of LeMans. He has a successful line of chili powders, and has to be one of the world's longest surviving and oldest heart transplant recipients.
Those are great things. But, don't forget that he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like the rest of us. And, like the rest of us he has to pay the bills. I think that is where you might find the common link across the many products that bear his name. If Shelby is anything, he is a great businessman, and that isn't always a necessarily flattering characterization. He knows that his name is valuable, has a certain mystique in car enthusiasts circles and he takes care in marketing it and seeing that the mystique - correct or not, deserved or not, is perpetually maintained.
This is America, and I think free market economics are great. However, I think some take the hero worship thing a little too far. The first cars - the Cobras and the early Mustang Shelbys were indeed special. Shelby assembled a group of talented folks who, through cleverness and ingenuity, made cars with character and performance at a price point that was really incredible. This was a bunch of garage tinkerers (albeit very smart ones) who took foreign cars and slapped in Ford engines, and took grocery getter Mustangs and turned them into track champions. These were just regular guys using hand tools to install off the shelf or occassionally fabricated parts.
I think it was in 1968 that Ford took the Shelby operations in house and started making the Shelbys themselves. 1969 was the last year they made them - the 1970's being leftover 1969 models with black stripes and chin spoilers added.
Shelby didn't seem to care much about the cars between then and the day he realized that they were a goldmine. I can't find the source of the quote, but it's been said that when asked about the old cars Shelby asked, "Why would anyone want a car like that?"
There were plenty of people who cared about cars like these and a lucky few who saw their potential bought them, cared for them, and saved them. These people, like the original Shelby mechanics and engineers, were real car guys - garage tinkerers. They were mostly middle class and couldn't afford Porsches or Ferraris and might not want to, even if they could.
Decades later baby boomers who grew up day dreaming about these cars seem to have more money than they are sure want to do with. They prize the cars as trophies and museum pieces, though I'm not sure they prize them as vehicles. Sale listings in auto publications and auctions have driven the prices of the original cars so high that the guys who saved them and cared for them back when they were just "used cars" are afraid to drive them lest they lose a fortune. As a result, who hardly if ever see them on the roads.
Enter the Cobra kit car manufacturers who provide what the garage tinkerers used to have - affordable performance for normal guys. Enter the aftermarket Mustang parts vendor who provide what the garage tinkerers used to have - affordable unique looking cars. The Mustang parts vendor has also invested quite a bit of time and money into reproducing original looking parts to service the REAL Shelbys, but those are now all restored and in shrink wrap so selling to guys with Mustangs so that they can make their car look like a Shelby is quite a bit of their business.
Meanwhile Shelby miraculously finds a few thousand original cobra chassis hidden away since 1967 and starts making new REAL Shelby Cobras. He endorses a movie that has a rather bastardized (IMHO - sorry Eleanor fans - the originals look better) version of one of his cars in it and starts selling recreations of that car whereby old 1967 and 1968 Mustang fastbacks are incredibly turned into REAL Shelby Eleanors. Etc....
So... this is great right - NEW REAL Shelbys? Awesome - except that you forgot something. Those original ones could be had for a song when they were new compared to what the NEW REAL Shelbys cost. But rich dudes are willing to pay it - so the market sets the price.
Shelby sets out to eliminate his "competition" through lawsuits. It is good for business if you can pull it off, even though it might be the antithesis of everything these cars used to represent. He unsuccessfully tries to stop the kit car manufacturers from making Cobras. He claimed that the Cobra was his design even though it was an existing chassis into which he placed a Ford V8. He lost that, but claims it as a victory because he can keep the manufacturers from calling it a Cobra and putting on vintage insignia.
More recently he (or perhaps those that he has given the reigns) have begun to threaten to stop aftermarket manufacturers from making Shelby specific parts. In the future the company plans to manufacture the items themselves (no competition - resultant quality? - no alternative options?) with a purchase requiring proof that the vehicle on which the item will be placed is a REAL Shelby.
For the product that is the subject of this thread - The "Ford Mustang SVT Shelby Cobra GT500" - he sold the rights to Ford to put his name on it. As far as his input to the project goes - it was likely to the extent of "I want it to be real fast", "It should beat the stink out of them foreign cars." Don't get too caught up in - "oh it is a Shelby!" bandwagon. Shelby has slapped his name of lots of stinky things in the past.
What is my point? My point is that Shelby doesn't have some magic wand that he waves around and makes cars "special". He had a special group of people assembled at one time, but they went on to other things long ago. Even then, if you know what they did to the car, you can do the same thing in your basement without much trouble.
Why would Shelby want to stop normal folks from making their own?
To keep from diluting the pool of originals and protect the owners of the real cars? He gives lip service to this, but he continually dilutes that pool himself.
To protect his ability to make more money? Sure. And that results in his cars now being owned by soley by people able to purchase the upper echelon vehicles that his were targeted to undercut. Over the years he has become more and more like his 60's archrival Enzo Ferrari.
Surely though, a 22 year old kid with some stripes, parts, badges, and a socket set couldn't be considered "competition" for a REAL Shelby - right? Perhaps Shelby knows that when done right (that is an important qualifier) there isn't much difference save for a serial number.
As far as homemade versions go - don't look down your nose at them. They are likely put together by real car guys (and gals), and not just someone that has a ton of cash. I'm not saying that rich and "car guy" are mutually exclusive, just that someone who modifies their car probably likes cars. I'm not talking about the ones where you can tell that they have no attention to detail or horrible taste. I'm talking about the well put together ones with tasteful modifcations for appearance and/or performance.
It is these cars that, perhaps moreso that anything that rolls off an assembly line, embody the spirit of the originals - made in a garage in California using some stripes, parts, badges, and a socket set.
That being said. I reserve the right to make fun of anyone who does a bad job. If your car looks like it was imported from Tokyo or the Cobra emblem on the grill is pointed the wrong way, I'm the guy who you'll hear making jokes about it as he walks by.
Carroll Shelby deserves plenty kudos for a number of things, but don't get too hung up on the "Oh its not a REAL Shelby" rhetoric.
Let me show you a few REAL Shelbys:
Shelby is probably a pretty cool guy in many respects. He was once a test pilot, and he had a very promising career in professional racing as a driver before being diagnosed with a heart problem. He overcame that setback and started his own company. He managed race teams, built race cars, and built and sold street cars for profit and homologation purposes. His race team management led to Ford winning the 24 Hours of LeMans. He has a successful line of chili powders, and has to be one of the world's longest surviving and oldest heart transplant recipients.
Those are great things. But, don't forget that he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like the rest of us. And, like the rest of us he has to pay the bills. I think that is where you might find the common link across the many products that bear his name. If Shelby is anything, he is a great businessman, and that isn't always a necessarily flattering characterization. He knows that his name is valuable, has a certain mystique in car enthusiasts circles and he takes care in marketing it and seeing that the mystique - correct or not, deserved or not, is perpetually maintained.
This is America, and I think free market economics are great. However, I think some take the hero worship thing a little too far. The first cars - the Cobras and the early Mustang Shelbys were indeed special. Shelby assembled a group of talented folks who, through cleverness and ingenuity, made cars with character and performance at a price point that was really incredible. This was a bunch of garage tinkerers (albeit very smart ones) who took foreign cars and slapped in Ford engines, and took grocery getter Mustangs and turned them into track champions. These were just regular guys using hand tools to install off the shelf or occassionally fabricated parts.
I think it was in 1968 that Ford took the Shelby operations in house and started making the Shelbys themselves. 1969 was the last year they made them - the 1970's being leftover 1969 models with black stripes and chin spoilers added.
Shelby didn't seem to care much about the cars between then and the day he realized that they were a goldmine. I can't find the source of the quote, but it's been said that when asked about the old cars Shelby asked, "Why would anyone want a car like that?"
There were plenty of people who cared about cars like these and a lucky few who saw their potential bought them, cared for them, and saved them. These people, like the original Shelby mechanics and engineers, were real car guys - garage tinkerers. They were mostly middle class and couldn't afford Porsches or Ferraris and might not want to, even if they could.
Decades later baby boomers who grew up day dreaming about these cars seem to have more money than they are sure want to do with. They prize the cars as trophies and museum pieces, though I'm not sure they prize them as vehicles. Sale listings in auto publications and auctions have driven the prices of the original cars so high that the guys who saved them and cared for them back when they were just "used cars" are afraid to drive them lest they lose a fortune. As a result, who hardly if ever see them on the roads.
Enter the Cobra kit car manufacturers who provide what the garage tinkerers used to have - affordable performance for normal guys. Enter the aftermarket Mustang parts vendor who provide what the garage tinkerers used to have - affordable unique looking cars. The Mustang parts vendor has also invested quite a bit of time and money into reproducing original looking parts to service the REAL Shelbys, but those are now all restored and in shrink wrap so selling to guys with Mustangs so that they can make their car look like a Shelby is quite a bit of their business.
Meanwhile Shelby miraculously finds a few thousand original cobra chassis hidden away since 1967 and starts making new REAL Shelby Cobras. He endorses a movie that has a rather bastardized (IMHO - sorry Eleanor fans - the originals look better) version of one of his cars in it and starts selling recreations of that car whereby old 1967 and 1968 Mustang fastbacks are incredibly turned into REAL Shelby Eleanors. Etc....
So... this is great right - NEW REAL Shelbys? Awesome - except that you forgot something. Those original ones could be had for a song when they were new compared to what the NEW REAL Shelbys cost. But rich dudes are willing to pay it - so the market sets the price.
Shelby sets out to eliminate his "competition" through lawsuits. It is good for business if you can pull it off, even though it might be the antithesis of everything these cars used to represent. He unsuccessfully tries to stop the kit car manufacturers from making Cobras. He claimed that the Cobra was his design even though it was an existing chassis into which he placed a Ford V8. He lost that, but claims it as a victory because he can keep the manufacturers from calling it a Cobra and putting on vintage insignia.
More recently he (or perhaps those that he has given the reigns) have begun to threaten to stop aftermarket manufacturers from making Shelby specific parts. In the future the company plans to manufacture the items themselves (no competition - resultant quality? - no alternative options?) with a purchase requiring proof that the vehicle on which the item will be placed is a REAL Shelby.
For the product that is the subject of this thread - The "Ford Mustang SVT Shelby Cobra GT500" - he sold the rights to Ford to put his name on it. As far as his input to the project goes - it was likely to the extent of "I want it to be real fast", "It should beat the stink out of them foreign cars." Don't get too caught up in - "oh it is a Shelby!" bandwagon. Shelby has slapped his name of lots of stinky things in the past.
What is my point? My point is that Shelby doesn't have some magic wand that he waves around and makes cars "special". He had a special group of people assembled at one time, but they went on to other things long ago. Even then, if you know what they did to the car, you can do the same thing in your basement without much trouble.
Why would Shelby want to stop normal folks from making their own?
To keep from diluting the pool of originals and protect the owners of the real cars? He gives lip service to this, but he continually dilutes that pool himself.
To protect his ability to make more money? Sure. And that results in his cars now being owned by soley by people able to purchase the upper echelon vehicles that his were targeted to undercut. Over the years he has become more and more like his 60's archrival Enzo Ferrari.
Surely though, a 22 year old kid with some stripes, parts, badges, and a socket set couldn't be considered "competition" for a REAL Shelby - right? Perhaps Shelby knows that when done right (that is an important qualifier) there isn't much difference save for a serial number.
As far as homemade versions go - don't look down your nose at them. They are likely put together by real car guys (and gals), and not just someone that has a ton of cash. I'm not saying that rich and "car guy" are mutually exclusive, just that someone who modifies their car probably likes cars. I'm not talking about the ones where you can tell that they have no attention to detail or horrible taste. I'm talking about the well put together ones with tasteful modifcations for appearance and/or performance.
It is these cars that, perhaps moreso that anything that rolls off an assembly line, embody the spirit of the originals - made in a garage in California using some stripes, parts, badges, and a socket set.
That being said. I reserve the right to make fun of anyone who does a bad job. If your car looks like it was imported from Tokyo or the Cobra emblem on the grill is pointed the wrong way, I'm the guy who you'll hear making jokes about it as he walks by.
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I think the Shelby ***** might need a bit of a reality check here. So I will graciously offer one.
Carroll Shelby deserves plenty kudos for a number of things, but don't get too hung up on the "Oh its not a REAL Shelby" rhetoric.
Let me show you a few REAL Shelbys:
Shelby is probably a pretty cool guy in many respects. He was once a test pilot, and he had a very promising career in professional racing as a driver before being diagnosed with a heart problem. He overcame that setback and started his own company. He managed race teams, built race cars, and built and sold street cars for profit and homologation purposes. His race team management led to Ford winning the 24 Hours of LeMans. He has a successful line of chili powders, and has to be one of the world's longest surviving and oldest heart transplant recipients.
Those are great things. But, don't forget that he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like the rest of us. And, like the rest of us he has to pay the bills. I think that is where you might find the common link across the many products that bear his name. If Shelby is anything, he is a great businessman, and that isn't always a necessarily flattering characterization. He knows that his name is valuable, has a certain mystique in car enthusiasts circles and he takes care in marketing it and seeing that the mystique - correct or not, deserved or not, is perpetually maintained.
This is America, and I think free market economics are great. However, I think some take the hero worship thing a little too far. The first cars - the Cobras and the early Mustang Shelbys were indeed special. Shelby assembled a group of talented folks who, through cleverness and ingenuity, made cars with character and performance at a price point that was really incredible. This was a bunch of garage tinkerers (albeit very smart ones) who took foreign cars and slapped in Ford engines, and took grocery getter Mustangs and turned them into track champions. These were just regular guys using hand tools to install off the shelf or occassionally fabricated parts.
I think it was in 1968 that Ford took the Shelby operations in house and started making the Shelbys themselves. 1969 was the last year they made them - the 1970's being leftover 1969 models with black stripes and chin spoilers added.
Shelby didn't seem to care much about the cars between then and the day he realized that they were a goldmine. I can't find the source of the quote, but it's been said that when asked about the old cars Shelby asked, "Why would anyone want a car like that?"
There were plenty of people who cared about cars like these and a lucky few who saw their potential bought them, cared for them, and saved them. These people, like the original Shelby mechanics and engineers, were real car guys - garage tinkerers. They were mostly middle class and couldn't afford Porsches or Ferraris and might not want to, even if they could.
Decades later baby boomers who grew up day dreaming about these cars seem to have more money than they are sure want to do with. They prize the cars as trophies and museum pieces, though I'm not sure they prize them as vehicles. Sale listings in auto publications and auctions have driven the prices of the original cars so high that the guys who saved them and cared for them back when they were just "used cars" are afraid to drive them lest they lose a fortune. As a result, who hardly if ever see them on the roads.
Enter the Cobra kit car manufacturers who provide what the garage tinkerers used to have - affordable performance for normal guys. Enter the aftermarket Mustang parts vendor who provide what the garage tinkerers used to have - affordable unique looking cars. The Mustang parts vendor has also invested quite a bit of time and money into reproducing original looking parts to service the REAL Shelbys, but those are now all restored and in shrink wrap so selling to guys with Mustangs so that they can make their car look like a Shelby is quite a bit of their business.
Meanwhile Shelby miraculously finds a few thousand original cobra chassis hidden away since 1967 and starts making new REAL Shelby Cobras. He endorses a movie that has a rather bastardized (IMHO - sorry Eleanor fans - the originals look better) version of one of his cars in it and starts selling recreations of that car whereby old 1967 and 1968 Mustang fastbacks are incredibly turned into REAL Shelby Eleanors. Etc....
So... this is great right - NEW REAL Shelbys? Awesome - except that you forgot something. Those original ones could be had for a song when they were new compared to what the NEW REAL Shelbys cost. But rich dudes are willing to pay it - so the market sets the price.
Shelby sets out to eliminate his "competition" through lawsuits. It is good for business if you can pull it off, even though it might be the antithesis of everything these cars used to represent. He unsuccessfully tries to stop the kit car manufacturers from making Cobras. He claimed that the Cobra was his design even though it was an existing chassis into which he placed a Ford V8. He lost that, but claims it as a victory because he can keep the manufacturers from calling it a Cobra and putting on vintage insignia.
More recently he (or perhaps those that he has given the reigns) have begun to threaten to stop aftermarket manufacturers from making Shelby specific parts. In the future the company plans to manufacture the items themselves (no competition - resultant quality? - no alternative options?) with a purchase requiring proof that the vehicle on which the item will be placed is a REAL Shelby.
For the product that is the subject of this thread - The "Ford Mustang SVT Shelby Cobra GT500" - he sold the rights to Ford to put his name on it. As far as his input to the project goes - it was likely to the extent of "I want it to be real fast", "It should beat the stink out of them foreign cars." Don't get too caught up in - "oh it is a Shelby!" bandwagon. Shelby has slapped his name of lots of stinky things in the past.
What is my point? My point is that Shelby doesn't have some magic wand that he waves around and makes cars "special". He had a special group of people assembled at one time, but they went on to other things long ago. Even then, if you know what they did to the car, you can do the same thing in your basement without much trouble.
Why would Shelby want to stop normal folks from making their own?
To keep from diluting the pool of originals and protect the owners of the real cars? He gives lip service to this, but he continually dilutes that pool himself.
To protect his ability to make more money? Sure. And that results in his cars now being owned by soley by people able to purchase the upper echelon vehicles that his were targeted to undercut. Over the years he has become more and more like his 60's archrival Enzo Ferrari.
Surely though, a 22 year old kid with some stripes, parts, badges, and a socket set couldn't be considered "competition" for a REAL Shelby - right? Perhaps Shelby knows that when done right (that is an important qualifier) there isn't much difference save for a serial number.
As far as homemade versions go - don't look down your nose at them. They are likely put together by real car guys (and gals), and not just someone that has a ton of cash. I'm not saying that rich and "car guy" are mutually exclusive, just that someone who modifies their car probably likes cars. I'm not talking about the ones where you can tell that they have no attention to detail or horrible taste. I'm talking about the well put together ones with tasteful modifcations for appearance and/or performance.
It is these cars that, perhaps moreso that anything that rolls off an assembly line, embody the spirit of the originals - made in a garage in California using some stripes, parts, badges, and a socket set.
That being said. I reserve the right to make fun of anyone who does a bad job. If your car looks like it was imported from Tokyo or the Cobra emblem on the grill is pointed the wrong way, I'm the guy who you'll hear making jokes about it as he walks by.
Carroll Shelby deserves plenty kudos for a number of things, but don't get too hung up on the "Oh its not a REAL Shelby" rhetoric.
Let me show you a few REAL Shelbys:
Shelby is probably a pretty cool guy in many respects. He was once a test pilot, and he had a very promising career in professional racing as a driver before being diagnosed with a heart problem. He overcame that setback and started his own company. He managed race teams, built race cars, and built and sold street cars for profit and homologation purposes. His race team management led to Ford winning the 24 Hours of LeMans. He has a successful line of chili powders, and has to be one of the world's longest surviving and oldest heart transplant recipients.
Those are great things. But, don't forget that he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like the rest of us. And, like the rest of us he has to pay the bills. I think that is where you might find the common link across the many products that bear his name. If Shelby is anything, he is a great businessman, and that isn't always a necessarily flattering characterization. He knows that his name is valuable, has a certain mystique in car enthusiasts circles and he takes care in marketing it and seeing that the mystique - correct or not, deserved or not, is perpetually maintained.
This is America, and I think free market economics are great. However, I think some take the hero worship thing a little too far. The first cars - the Cobras and the early Mustang Shelbys were indeed special. Shelby assembled a group of talented folks who, through cleverness and ingenuity, made cars with character and performance at a price point that was really incredible. This was a bunch of garage tinkerers (albeit very smart ones) who took foreign cars and slapped in Ford engines, and took grocery getter Mustangs and turned them into track champions. These were just regular guys using hand tools to install off the shelf or occassionally fabricated parts.
I think it was in 1968 that Ford took the Shelby operations in house and started making the Shelbys themselves. 1969 was the last year they made them - the 1970's being leftover 1969 models with black stripes and chin spoilers added.
Shelby didn't seem to care much about the cars between then and the day he realized that they were a goldmine. I can't find the source of the quote, but it's been said that when asked about the old cars Shelby asked, "Why would anyone want a car like that?"
There were plenty of people who cared about cars like these and a lucky few who saw their potential bought them, cared for them, and saved them. These people, like the original Shelby mechanics and engineers, were real car guys - garage tinkerers. They were mostly middle class and couldn't afford Porsches or Ferraris and might not want to, even if they could.
Decades later baby boomers who grew up day dreaming about these cars seem to have more money than they are sure want to do with. They prize the cars as trophies and museum pieces, though I'm not sure they prize them as vehicles. Sale listings in auto publications and auctions have driven the prices of the original cars so high that the guys who saved them and cared for them back when they were just "used cars" are afraid to drive them lest they lose a fortune. As a result, who hardly if ever see them on the roads.
Enter the Cobra kit car manufacturers who provide what the garage tinkerers used to have - affordable performance for normal guys. Enter the aftermarket Mustang parts vendor who provide what the garage tinkerers used to have - affordable unique looking cars. The Mustang parts vendor has also invested quite a bit of time and money into reproducing original looking parts to service the REAL Shelbys, but those are now all restored and in shrink wrap so selling to guys with Mustangs so that they can make their car look like a Shelby is quite a bit of their business.
Meanwhile Shelby miraculously finds a few thousand original cobra chassis hidden away since 1967 and starts making new REAL Shelby Cobras. He endorses a movie that has a rather bastardized (IMHO - sorry Eleanor fans - the originals look better) version of one of his cars in it and starts selling recreations of that car whereby old 1967 and 1968 Mustang fastbacks are incredibly turned into REAL Shelby Eleanors. Etc....
So... this is great right - NEW REAL Shelbys? Awesome - except that you forgot something. Those original ones could be had for a song when they were new compared to what the NEW REAL Shelbys cost. But rich dudes are willing to pay it - so the market sets the price.
Shelby sets out to eliminate his "competition" through lawsuits. It is good for business if you can pull it off, even though it might be the antithesis of everything these cars used to represent. He unsuccessfully tries to stop the kit car manufacturers from making Cobras. He claimed that the Cobra was his design even though it was an existing chassis into which he placed a Ford V8. He lost that, but claims it as a victory because he can keep the manufacturers from calling it a Cobra and putting on vintage insignia.
More recently he (or perhaps those that he has given the reigns) have begun to threaten to stop aftermarket manufacturers from making Shelby specific parts. In the future the company plans to manufacture the items themselves (no competition - resultant quality? - no alternative options?) with a purchase requiring proof that the vehicle on which the item will be placed is a REAL Shelby.
For the product that is the subject of this thread - The "Ford Mustang SVT Shelby Cobra GT500" - he sold the rights to Ford to put his name on it. As far as his input to the project goes - it was likely to the extent of "I want it to be real fast", "It should beat the stink out of them foreign cars." Don't get too caught up in - "oh it is a Shelby!" bandwagon. Shelby has slapped his name of lots of stinky things in the past.
What is my point? My point is that Shelby doesn't have some magic wand that he waves around and makes cars "special". He had a special group of people assembled at one time, but they went on to other things long ago. Even then, if you know what they did to the car, you can do the same thing in your basement without much trouble.
Why would Shelby want to stop normal folks from making their own?
To keep from diluting the pool of originals and protect the owners of the real cars? He gives lip service to this, but he continually dilutes that pool himself.
To protect his ability to make more money? Sure. And that results in his cars now being owned by soley by people able to purchase the upper echelon vehicles that his were targeted to undercut. Over the years he has become more and more like his 60's archrival Enzo Ferrari.
Surely though, a 22 year old kid with some stripes, parts, badges, and a socket set couldn't be considered "competition" for a REAL Shelby - right? Perhaps Shelby knows that when done right (that is an important qualifier) there isn't much difference save for a serial number.
As far as homemade versions go - don't look down your nose at them. They are likely put together by real car guys (and gals), and not just someone that has a ton of cash. I'm not saying that rich and "car guy" are mutually exclusive, just that someone who modifies their car probably likes cars. I'm not talking about the ones where you can tell that they have no attention to detail or horrible taste. I'm talking about the well put together ones with tasteful modifcations for appearance and/or performance.
It is these cars that, perhaps moreso that anything that rolls off an assembly line, embody the spirit of the originals - made in a garage in California using some stripes, parts, badges, and a socket set.
That being said. I reserve the right to make fun of anyone who does a bad job. If your car looks like it was imported from Tokyo or the Cobra emblem on the grill is pointed the wrong way, I'm the guy who you'll hear making jokes about it as he walks by.
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Thanks for the meaningful reply. I'm especially glad you quoted all of that just to insert an emoticon.
If you want to be Carroll's biggest fanboy be my guest. I've got a picture around here somewhere of me getting his autograph in 1987 when I was a kid. I respect him for his accomplishments, but ... (see the above).
If you want to be Carroll's biggest fanboy be my guest. I've got a picture around here somewhere of me getting his autograph in 1987 when I was a kid. I respect him for his accomplishments, but ... (see the above).
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Thanks for the meaningful reply. I'm especially glad you quoted all of that just to insert an emoticon.
If you want to be Carroll's biggest fanboy be my guest. I've got a picture around here somewhere of me getting his autograph in 1987 when I was a kid. I respect him for his accomplishments, but ... (see the above).
If you want to be Carroll's biggest fanboy be my guest. I've got a picture around here somewhere of me getting his autograph in 1987 when I was a kid. I respect him for his accomplishments, but ... (see the above).
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