I saw this, and yes did a search, but did not see that anyone has tried this product:

http://www.mustangtuning.com/mustang...rsion-h13.html

I'm wary of any no-name brands and that the ford housing may not "stand the heat"

Anyone find any offshore PIAA or Hella or Phillips bulbs?

Thanks

 

I'm interested in seeing people comments about this aswell. I havent heard of anyone using them. Only HID's people seem to use here are the Ford Saleen ones. Which are execellent but not for my wallet.

 

Saleen to me, they are overpriced beyond... the price is reflective of the advantage of coming out FIRST with a product, everyone does the same... I have an idea for whenever I'm ready to upgrade to HIDs, but it will require some custom work and it will not be an H-13 bulb

 

At $899.00 which is what I paid for the Saleen kit they are not overpriced. In order to properly implement a bulb kit so that you get correct light distribution and don't blind on coming traffic it will cost just as much if not more plus extra labor to modify the existing housing. Saleen gives you it all in a nice plug a play package.

 

I don't see your point. If the stock housing is a Paraboloid, designed to work with an H-13 bulb, then any point light source at the focal point will produce a parallel light beam. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraboloid Right? If the replacement kit bulb is centered correctly in the stock shell then the focus will be correct.

Now, if the replacement bulb isn't well made and the bulb is located incorrectly (and this gets to my MustangTuning Kit question) then yeah, you're right you'll blind or "fog" everyone. But if the bulb is well made, then no blinding.

However, I'm also worried the MT kit may run too hot for the stock shell and warp it (same fogging effect).

And I'm sorry but based on other prices I've seen for HID kits, it appears to me that the Saleen kit is priced only for the "gotta haves."

 

There are very similiar kits on fleabay for about 1/2 the cost. I would be interested in hearing feedback about them also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-06...QQcmdZViewItem

 

Well I'm not an expert in lighting but I’ll give you a little info on my past experience. I had a 2003 Accord coupe. I decided that instead of retro fitting a proper projector from say an Audi A4 I was just going to buy the lights that fit my existing assembly. I have to tell you that was a big mistake. Basically what they do is take a Phillips in my case probably off brand for the kits listed D2S/D2R bulb. Then rebased it to fit the H-13 headlight application. Which is great and but the housing isn’t designed properly to reflect the amount of light being produced. I got a nice blue light on my Honda but the light distribution was scattered. I had hot spots where the light was brighter then others in front of me. Another thing is the higher you go 6k or 8k you are actually dropping your light output for the sake of more color. I doubt that these kits will allow you to use your high beams either. With the Saleen kit it provides me with both low and high beams using the same bulb redirecting the light output. It also properly turns off my fogs as well.

Basically, if you're going for a look go with one of these cheap kits. If you really want to benefits of HID lighting take a good look at the Saleen kit. Just like everything else in life you get what you pay for.

 

With the Saleen headlight, is a piece of metal (IF it is metal) that tucks in and gives you the impression that you have high beams. Also, it won't matter what you get (Saleen or others), your fogs will turn off when you want to activate the high beams. Also, if you are desperate to have high beams (which I don't know why you would want to), buy a dual fillament HID kit, about $100 more expensive, but still HALF of what Saleen proposes for theirs.
As far as the lighting output being compromise.. hhmm... check manufacturers graphs for how far the light travels, it's the same for all temperatures (just color changes with the higher temp, that's all).

 

Well the fact that my lights reach farther and are brighter when I flip the lever I think that would be high beams. I live in a rural area so having brighter lights help at night so why wouldn't I want highs?

As for turning off the fogs you’re probably right on that one.

You might want to check into your statement on temp graphs. There is a reduction in light output for the sake of color. 8000k lights are for show not for output. I'll make sure to get some info on that for you tomorrow when I have more time.

Regardless if you do research there are a lot of horror stories with these cheap HID kits. If you get a true Hella or Phillips system then you’re getting top quality stuff. Anything else is junk and probably won't last as long or work as well bottom line.

Have you ever seen the Saleen lights in action?

 

i have the saleens in my mustang. i have had a philips plug and play kit for the low beams in my yukon for like 3 years. never had a problem. i have them in the stock headlights. works great, lights up the road 10 times better. got them from www.xenondepot.com . the yukon has seperate high and low beams tho. for the mustang, i bought the saleens cuz i didnt want to lose the highs. u get what u pay for! i heard those kits with the high low moveable reflector kept having a lot of problems, so they discontinued them. for the stang, get the saleens. if u got seperate highs and lows get the philips ballasts and bulbs plug and play kit.

 

As I promised earlier I am posting a link to a graph and explanation of why going with a higher color temperature decreases light output for the sake of color.

http://www.autolamps-online.com/hido...colourtemp.htm

4100K - Performance
6000K - A little on the show side
8000K - For show but still better then halogen

 

8000k is not better than halogen, it is a blue/purple light and some of my friends have done conversions with their stock HID projectors and put in 8000k bulbs, and there visibility is cut in half, if you want a blue look just go with 6000k, the higher kelvin bulbs are just not practical.

 

Thanks for that info on the color temps. Also, good point on high beams.

 

Now for a wild one! I was informed that the GT500 uses a different headlight assembly. I’m thinking about changing my front out to look like a GT500 minus the Cobra logo but instead rocking the Tri-bar pony. I’m thinking about researching if I can take the innards out of the Saleen headlight and put it into the GT500 assembly. Donations anyone?

 

Good luck, but I was hoping that someone had tried the Mustang Tuning system, or a similar system (low beams only I suppose).

If so, and they were satisfied, then I could put Golf II headlights in place of the GT fogs, piggy backing the wiring on the headlight system (like someone did here back in December of 05 - and wrote up)

Then I could have double low beams and Golf II halogen high beams

 

well from what i understand, the halogen and xenon/ hid lights run on different wave lengths of light, this causes the angle of reflection off of the stock housings to be different. So in the end if you are going to keep the stock housings, stick with halogen bulbs. if you want to go HID then buy the new housings.
i know with audi's, and other vw's, the projector beam in a halogen car is different from the projector in the xenon cars. I could only guess it has to do with the light pattern, since both have the same type of bulb.

if i upgrade to hid's. i am getting saleens

 

Do a search or two on other pre-2005 Mustang forums. You'll find that plenty of these kits are in use by very satisfied Mustang owners. The biggest negative is the lack of a high beam. If you live in rural areas, this could be a pretty big negative.

I'm on the fence--if I do go the HID route, it will be one of these inexpensive kits (I'll keep my stock lights just in case...). I'll also replace the fog lights with driving lights to make up for the lack of high beams.

 

WHOOPS! I didn't subscribed to the topic!
Well, I guess some of the graphs I saw then must not be accurate, as the reach was not greatly compromised.
I'm hoping by the end of the year I can do the conversion I want, problem is it requires some fiberglass work, so my car would have to be out of comission for a while, and until I have another car to drive around, I can't.

 

Here's new info. Xenondepot.com will have their plug and play kit for the H13 in about 2 months. The bulbs are philips 4300K (OEM temp) and the ballasts are philips too. I have the H11 Xenondepot ket on my wife's GX470 and they look totally factory. Xenondepot currently carries an XtremeHID kit (6500K) for the H13's, but it's not their kit and does not use Philips componets.

 

steevr, do these kits include high and low beams?