so what happened to the v10's?
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I say there is a chance for a V10 Mustang. If Ford ends up making the GR-1 with a V10 they could put a V10 in a Mustang. But if they do it, it will be a very limited production car <500 units. It will be the S197 equivalent of the 2000 Cobra R.
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Probably, not being the most gas efficient of engines might have something to do with it. If the Ford GT being the flag ship didn't get it, those below in the food chain are not likely to stand a chance.
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Would make a cool Mach I motor -- Super Cobra Jet -- but I doubt it. Ford's more in financial survival mode now than engineering anything truely cool like this that people actual would flock to buy without being bribed by rebates.
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Originally posted by 1 BULLITT@December 4, 2005, 9:26 AM
Probably, not being the most gas efficient of engines might have something to do with it. If the Ford GT being the flag ship didn't get it, those below in the food chain are not likely to stand a chance.
Probably, not being the most gas efficient of engines might have something to do with it. If the Ford GT being the flag ship didn't get it, those below in the food chain are not likely to stand a chance.
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Man, that BOSS 351 mule was perfect, low key only a coupla cheap stick on decals with a hohum silver paint job and 18 inch wheels. Perfect for gobbling up circus freaks like a ram air firebird.
I could see it now, no spoiler V6 grille, painted 18 inch wheels, regular interior, no wing on the rear deck, just some decals (and with the cahones to say) BOSS 351 (not BOSS 5.8), BAM! GM put your 5th gen back on the truck and take it home.
Sadly I dont think I'd ever see it in my lifetime and thats a long way to go (probably see a quasiturbine hybrid before I see a V10 mustang)
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IIRC, an engineer some place some where said they could make a case for a V10 mustang and get more effciency out of it due to the way power pulses were produced???
That's one reason a lot of ultra-high performance V8s, from Ferrari and Lotus for example, use a flat-crank (180 degree throws) to get more even, efficient intake/exhaust pulses.
Flat cranks tend to be much lighter too, which gives these Ferrari motors their Whippet-like throttle response. On the down side, they do vibrate more, being essentially a pair of buzzy 4-bangers sharing a block/crankshaft rather than 4 V-twins sharing a crank. But at least the more finely pureed power pulses takes out some of the nasty buzz. The other possible negative is that, at least at low revs, they tend to sound little flat as compared to the rich burble of a multithrow crank V8. But rev dat Ferrari up to 8800 rpm and WOW, what spine-tingling music!
Also related is the old GT-40 "bundle of snakes" exhaust headers that curled and twisted around the engine to achieve that same end of equal exhaust pulses, often with the intake tract handled by a quartet of 2bbl Webers, each barrel feeding its own, seperate intake port.
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IIRC, an engineer some place some where said they could make a case for a V10 mustang and get more effciency out of it due to the way power pulses were produced???
That's one reason a lot of ultra-high performance V8s, from Ferrari and Lotus for example, use a flat-crank (180 degree throws) to get more even, efficient intake/exhaust pulses.
Flat cranks tend to be much lighter too, which gives these Ferrari motors their Whippet-like throttle response. On the down side, they do vibrate more, being essentially a pair of buzzy 4-bangers sharing a block/crankshaft rather than 4 V-twins sharing a crank. But at least the more finely pureed power pulses takes out some of the nasty buzz. The other possible negative is that, at least at low revs, they tend to sound little flat as compared to the rich burble of a multithrow crank V8. But rev dat Ferrari up to 8800 rpm and WOW, what spine-tingling music!
Also related is the old GT-40's "bundle of snakes" exhaust headers that curled and twisted around the engine to achieve that same end of equal exhaust pulses, often with the intake tract handled by a quartet of 2bbl Webers, each barrel feeding its own, seperate intake port.
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Its interesting to note (if my trivia is correct), that the sound sample for the mustang in Bullitt used the the GT40 for the engine/exhaust effects, and with the transaxle being unsynchronized it seemed like ol' Steve was doing alot of shifting to get that mustang to move.
and yep, a wee bit of power is lost using a conventional V8 crank, but its dynamic balance is much better. I remeber reading about Smokey Yunick messing with flat-cranks in the brand-x motors and saying it made tuning the engine easier, but given the cost at the time (I assume back in the day they probably had to make due with a billet crank rather than a dedicated forging), they couldn't justify it.
and yep, a wee bit of power is lost using a conventional V8 crank, but its dynamic balance is much better. I remeber reading about Smokey Yunick messing with flat-cranks in the brand-x motors and saying it made tuning the engine easier, but given the cost at the time (I assume back in the day they probably had to make due with a billet crank rather than a dedicated forging), they couldn't justify it.
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