One car, Or Two?
3/22/05, 07:53 AM
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..now if I can just buy one 
3/22/05, 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by 97RedSnake@March 22, 2005, 9:02 AM
Ok. Not to be mean or a downer for some of you guys.
But, guys, the GT500 IS the Cobra. This is the new 2007 Cobra. We can most likely expect another car to be positioned between the GT and GT500, but not for another year or two. Like a Mach 1 or Boss or Bullitt. But, there won't be another Cobra in addition to the Shelby Cobra GT500.
I'm sorry, but this is just a little honesty. For those of you hoping for the announcement of two cars on Wednesday- just look at that Motor Trend cover. Don't you think there would be mention of two cars, if there were two cars? Also, notice the Cobra emblem in the grill?
Really, i am glad there is only one car at this point. The new Shelby is your new Cobra from SVT. I expect part of what will be announced on Wednesday is that SVT will now be producing any Shelby products that come from Ford.
Anyway, sorry to bring anyone down. I for one am still very happy with the Shelby Cobra GT500. It works for me.
Ok. Not to be mean or a downer for some of you guys.
But, guys, the GT500 IS the Cobra. This is the new 2007 Cobra. We can most likely expect another car to be positioned between the GT and GT500, but not for another year or two. Like a Mach 1 or Boss or Bullitt. But, there won't be another Cobra in addition to the Shelby Cobra GT500.
I'm sorry, but this is just a little honesty. For those of you hoping for the announcement of two cars on Wednesday- just look at that Motor Trend cover. Don't you think there would be mention of two cars, if there were two cars? Also, notice the Cobra emblem in the grill?
Really, i am glad there is only one car at this point. The new Shelby is your new Cobra from SVT. I expect part of what will be announced on Wednesday is that SVT will now be producing any Shelby products that come from Ford.
Anyway, sorry to bring anyone down. I for one am still very happy with the Shelby Cobra GT500. It works for me.
3/22/05, 08:46 AM
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I too am surprised by the folks who for some reason assume this is not the new Cobra and the only "Mustang" Cobra we are going to seein this slot. If there is eventually another car in addition to this one I look for a GT500KR to take up a Cobra R model type position or maybe a GT-350 to slot below this and provide more units per year giving SVT more volume, but nothing more.
Some folks seem to be deducing that since this car only has a predicted production of 7500 units there must be another car on the same level. But, the car is getting more expensive and it is pretty obvious that production would lower as price goes up. Ford wants to keep demand on this car high, and fewer units a year will do just that.
Just like the Mach-1 took up the slot of the 01 Cobra when the snake moved upmarket the same is certain to happen again. And that is the car you can expect to see with 10k+ unit a year production wether it be a more upmarket Mach-1 or another SVT/Shelby offering. I just wouldn't look for anything badged "SVT Cobra", certainly not on the same level or above this car.
Of course, as always I could be wrong and usually am...lol
Some folks seem to be deducing that since this car only has a predicted production of 7500 units there must be another car on the same level. But, the car is getting more expensive and it is pretty obvious that production would lower as price goes up. Ford wants to keep demand on this car high, and fewer units a year will do just that.
Just like the Mach-1 took up the slot of the 01 Cobra when the snake moved upmarket the same is certain to happen again. And that is the car you can expect to see with 10k+ unit a year production wether it be a more upmarket Mach-1 or another SVT/Shelby offering. I just wouldn't look for anything badged "SVT Cobra", certainly not on the same level or above this car.
Of course, as always I could be wrong and usually am...lol
3/22/05, 08:55 AM
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Remember, they only planned to make about 140,000 05 Mustangs and then bumped up production to make about 190,000. They could do the same thing if the Shelby Cobra sells well.
I was thinking if would be silly to introduce a GT500 first and then "go down" to a GT350 SE a year or two later. But, who knows. The Mach1 came out great and it is/was a cool upgrade over a GT for those who didn't want or couldn't afford a Cobra. Maybe that second car will come in 07 as an 08 MY...
Ford has a habit/history of giving us new things one a time.
"You can have a coupe now but you'll have to wait 6 months for a convertible..."
I was thinking if would be silly to introduce a GT500 first and then "go down" to a GT350 SE a year or two later. But, who knows. The Mach1 came out great and it is/was a cool upgrade over a GT for those who didn't want or couldn't afford a Cobra. Maybe that second car will come in 07 as an 08 MY...
Ford has a habit/history of giving us new things one a time.
"You can have a coupe now but you'll have to wait 6 months for a convertible..."
3/22/05, 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Mystic_Cobra@March 22, 2005, 10:58 AM
Remember, they only planned to make about 140,000 05 Mustangs and then bumped up production to make about 190,000. They could do the same thing if the Shelby Cobra sells well.
I was thinking if would be silly to introduce a GT500 first and then "go down" to a GT350 SE a year or two later. But, who knows. The Mach1 came out great and it is/was a cool upgrade over a GT for those who didn't want or couldn't afford a Cobra. Maybe that second car will come in 07 as an 08 MY...
Ford has a habit/history of giving us new things one a time.
"You can have a coupe now but you'll have to wait 6 months for a convertible..."
Remember, they only planned to make about 140,000 05 Mustangs and then bumped up production to make about 190,000. They could do the same thing if the Shelby Cobra sells well.
I was thinking if would be silly to introduce a GT500 first and then "go down" to a GT350 SE a year or two later. But, who knows. The Mach1 came out great and it is/was a cool upgrade over a GT for those who didn't want or couldn't afford a Cobra. Maybe that second car will come in 07 as an 08 MY...
Ford has a habit/history of giving us new things one a time.
"You can have a coupe now but you'll have to wait 6 months for a convertible..."
3/22/05, 11:34 AM
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7500 is about the normal yearly production on any Cobra model. I don't see this number as being overly significant. They aren't saying that only 7500 will ever be built. This is just their expected 1st year volume. Not that surprising.
3/22/05, 12:10 PM
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My guess is the only car you’re going to see tomorrow will be the GT 500. But I bet we hear more about SVT’s plans going further with the Mustang, like a GT 350 in MY ’07 as well.
3/22/05, 12:24 PM
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I truly think there will be two cars. This car is a concept. It will get everyone all excited, just like the original 02 NAIAS Mustang GT concept did, just like the Lightning concept did. These are concepts. Will there be something like this? Yes. Will it carry this name? Maybe. Is there a future model slated either below or above this? Maybe.
You all seem to have forgotten the discussions a year ago when we were all speculating about the possibility of special editions. Many felt the Shelby would be a special edition in addition to the SVT. This concept has been engineered by SVT, but we have no official statement that this IS THE REAL THING!!! Things can change. I mean, look at the Lightning!!!
I truly feel this is just a special edition like the Bullitt, Mach and anniversaries... This will be a one or two model year product run and then we will have other cars too. Yes, SVT engineered this thing, but there are just as many loyal SVT Cobra fans as there are Lightning owners who will not like a Shelby over a real SVT.
There WILL be an SVT in addition to this car. Whether this car is slated below or above the SVT will be determined. Remember the original talks were all pointing to the next-gen SVT as being a M5 fighter... It was going to the most technologically advanced mustang in all ways, shape and form. Now we get the Shelby. Yes it's fast and will look fun, but I think it will really be a special edition GT and be fast, yet the real SVT will be a true driving experience with BMW fighting characteristics. I honestly doubt SVT just dropped all goals with this car just so CS could have a car as fast as a Viper.
REMEMBER, THIS IS A CONCEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bang:
You all seem to have forgotten the discussions a year ago when we were all speculating about the possibility of special editions. Many felt the Shelby would be a special edition in addition to the SVT. This concept has been engineered by SVT, but we have no official statement that this IS THE REAL THING!!! Things can change. I mean, look at the Lightning!!!
I truly feel this is just a special edition like the Bullitt, Mach and anniversaries... This will be a one or two model year product run and then we will have other cars too. Yes, SVT engineered this thing, but there are just as many loyal SVT Cobra fans as there are Lightning owners who will not like a Shelby over a real SVT.
There WILL be an SVT in addition to this car. Whether this car is slated below or above the SVT will be determined. Remember the original talks were all pointing to the next-gen SVT as being a M5 fighter... It was going to the most technologically advanced mustang in all ways, shape and form. Now we get the Shelby. Yes it's fast and will look fun, but I think it will really be a special edition GT and be fast, yet the real SVT will be a true driving experience with BMW fighting characteristics. I honestly doubt SVT just dropped all goals with this car just so CS could have a car as fast as a Viper.
REMEMBER, THIS IS A CONCEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bang:
3/22/05, 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by HammyZTS@March 22, 2005, 1:27 PM
REMEMBER, THIS IS A CONCEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bang:
REMEMBER, THIS IS A CONCEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bang:
3/22/05, 04:24 PM
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Very sweet ...thought we were going to have to wait another day for any info.
I hope there will be 2 cars but am doubtful. If this were the SE then they would have to make the big daddy 500-600 hp, and I don't think that's happening.
The Mustang GT is selling well and there is really no reason to boost interest or sales at this point. Just my opinion. I really want a SE too.
I can't wait to see details tomorrow.
How much will it cost, when can it be ordered, what colors, etc...
Did Ford allow x-plan on previous Cobra models?
So many new questions and renewed excitement for Ford fans
...thought we were going to have to wait another day for any info.I hope there will be 2 cars but am doubtful. If this were the SE then they would have to make the big daddy 500-600 hp, and I don't think that's happening.
The Mustang GT is selling well and there is really no reason to boost interest or sales at this point. Just my opinion. I really want a SE too.
I can't wait to see details tomorrow.
How much will it cost, when can it be ordered, what colors, etc...
Did Ford allow x-plan on previous Cobra models?
So many new questions and renewed excitement for Ford fans
3/22/05, 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by crazyhorse@March 22, 2005, 5:30 PM
I think 2 cars. One about 38k, one about 48k. Notice the car does not have SVT anywhere on the body. Only the wheels, door sills and valve covers.
I think 2 cars. One about 38k, one about 48k. Notice the car does not have SVT anywhere on the body. Only the wheels, door sills and valve covers.
3/23/05, 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by Tony Alonso@March 22, 2005, 11:02 PM
anaki's post lends some creedence to the "2-car theory". We'll soon see!
anaki's post lends some creedence to the "2-car theory". We'll soon see!
There will be only one Cobra for the time being. There's just no business sense in two labels for the same car...and we've not heard a peep about another car from Ford.
THIS IS THE COBRA. Deal with it.
3/23/05, 03:24 AM
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I believe there will be atleast 2 versions of the Cobra represented at the auto show. Like anaki noted in a previous post somewhere, Ford's SVT put together the Cobra but Shelby add his name to one. "Shelby" will be an option like Saleen but not the Cobra itself. Just like there is a Saleen GT (Surprised they didn't do a Saleen V6 ) there will be a Saleen Cobra soon enough, maybe even at the AutoShow but that would be pushing it. Anaki's close up of the SVT Cobra is proof enough people. IMO
Does anyone see a chin spoiler on the red SVT Cobra in the pic? There is one on the Blue Cobra next to it. You don't see it cause it's not there. You can get it with the Shelby upgrade option or some other sort of upgrade I'm guessing.
P.S. Anyone else notice there is no woofer in the interior shots and no name on the radio?
) there will be a Saleen Cobra soon enough, maybe even at the AutoShow but that would be pushing it. Anaki's close up of the SVT Cobra is proof enough people. IMODoes anyone see a chin spoiler on the red SVT Cobra in the pic? There is one on the Blue Cobra next to it. You don't see it cause it's not there. You can get it with the Shelby upgrade option or some other sort of upgrade I'm guessing.
P.S. Anyone else notice there is no woofer in the interior shots and no name on the radio?
3/23/05, 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by Mas35NYR@March 23, 2005, 5:27 AM
I believe there will be atleast 2 versions of the Cobra represented at the auto show. Like anaki noted in a previous post somewhere, Ford's SVT put together the Cobra but Shelby add his name to one. "Shelby" will be an option like Saleen but not the Cobra itself. Just like there is a Saleen GT (Surprised they didn't do a Saleen V6 ) there will be a Saleen Cobra soon enough, maybe even at the AutoShow but that would be pushing it. Anaki's close up of the SVT Cobra is proof enough people. IMO
Does anyone see a chin spoiler on the red SVT Cobra in the pic? There is one on the Blue Cobra next to it. You don't see it cause it's not there. You can get it with the Shelby upgrade option or some other sort of upgrade I'm guessing.
P.S. Anyone else notice there is no woofer in the interior shots and no name on the radio?
I believe there will be atleast 2 versions of the Cobra represented at the auto show. Like anaki noted in a previous post somewhere, Ford's SVT put together the Cobra but Shelby add his name to one. "Shelby" will be an option like Saleen but not the Cobra itself. Just like there is a Saleen GT (Surprised they didn't do a Saleen V6
) there will be a Saleen Cobra soon enough, maybe even at the AutoShow but that would be pushing it. Anaki's close up of the SVT Cobra is proof enough people. IMODoes anyone see a chin spoiler on the red SVT Cobra in the pic? There is one on the Blue Cobra next to it. You don't see it cause it's not there. You can get it with the Shelby upgrade option or some other sort of upgrade I'm guessing.
P.S. Anyone else notice there is no woofer in the interior shots and no name on the radio?
3/23/05, 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by Mas35NYR@March 23, 2005, 4:27 AM
Anaki's close up of the SVT Cobra is proof enough people. IMO
Does anyone see a chin spoiler on the red SVT Cobra in the pic? There is one on the Blue Cobra next to it. You don't see it cause it's not there. You can get it with the Shelby upgrade option or some other sort of upgrade I'm guessing.
P.S. Anyone else notice there is no woofer in the interior shots and no name on the radio?
Anaki's close up of the SVT Cobra is proof enough people. IMO
Does anyone see a chin spoiler on the red SVT Cobra in the pic? There is one on the Blue Cobra next to it. You don't see it cause it's not there. You can get it with the Shelby upgrade option or some other sort of upgrade I'm guessing.
P.S. Anyone else notice there is no woofer in the interior shots and no name on the radio?
As to no woofer in the door - this is an early production mockup, which means there could be many little changes coming. The Ford literature also states that the Cobra emblem is embroidered into the seatbacks, yet if you look at all the Ford press photos of the interior, guess what? No embroidered Cobra emblem. So no name on the radio means nothing. We all know to look at it that it's a Shaker. Whether or not the 1000 will be offered is anybody's guess right now.
Expect little detail changes between this and the production car. Another example is the wheels. They will be 18" not 19". Ford has at least 15 months to make changes.