That's the problem with American car companies, they only focus on sales. The VW Bug is the best selling car ever, would you want one? Ford has a huge marketing campaign out right now about "Innovation is the Key to Ford's future". What innovation does the GT500 bring to the table? I can't think of anything. I just personally get tired of the mentality in Detroit. They can produce great cars, but settle on what has worked in the past. This mentality is the reason why they are losing market share.

 

Guys,
Right now everything is speculation, lets see what they bring at the show January 6. If the car is worth crap we should start a nationwide campaign in EVERY forum telling each and every Mustang fan NOT to buy the car. Then, we'll see who is going to bend first, Ford or the greedy Dealers.

 

Well said. It worries me that they STILL seem to be operating from this Jurassic mentality.

Frankly, it doesn't bode well for Ford's future.

 

I'm still hoping we won't have to do this. But the way things are going, hope is dwindling fast.

 

Just Hope they do not show up on Barrett Jackson. Some High roller will get in a Bidding War and get 100k. I can see it now.The Dealers will get Really Silly Really Fast. I guarantee that some of the People who have {ordered} The Shelby will get stiffed. It's going to happin Right or Wrong It's going to happin.

kc

 

Early Mach 1 buyers like me originally heard "only 6500". It was never fully established if that was formally published by Ford or people speculating on behalf of Ford (although there supposedly was a Ford publication that mentioned that nnumber). When there were over 8000 orders submitted by dealers by early 2003, it did not take too long to hear the production numbers were going up. Within 8-10 months of the car's December 2002 introduction date, there were rebates of up to $4000 for the now-to-be '03 and '04 Mach 1 models.

People who are hearing "only 7000 for 2 years" and responding with a "gotta have it now" mentality might be in a similar boat. Wait and then buy carefully. From a "Preparation H subscriber", this is the best advice I would give.

By the way, if Ford was going to be constrained on anything that would limit volume, I would suspect the engine to be the major component. And as far as cost and content, I think even the Mustang GT is still too much money. I would argue it should be priced in the $24,000 range rather than $28,000 (MSRP and eqipped with popular options). However, engineering a new platform, moving to an all new (albeit flexible) plant, and Ford's general financial health all factor into it, I suppose.

What people have been speculating here about a $40K coupe and $45K convertible makes perfect sense. I don't think we will see a $45K coupe. As AFBLUE indicated, the price differentials between a GT coupe and SVT coupe seem to be in line over the years. I remember being shocked hearing the '03 Cobras being priced where they were. Now some people don't bat an eye at a $30K+ GT convertible.

I am waiting for the $3000 rebates on the GT

 

I would love to see an 05+ Mustang offered with an IRS suspension, mated to the 03 Cobra Drive-Train... They could produce about 9000 of these, and call it a day.. Selling them for $36K.. They could still call it a GT..

Also, it would be nice for Ford to offer this type of package to people ordering there cars... I think Ford could escape all this gridlock if they were to allow everyone to order their Stangs with different options.. These cars may take longer to get, but overall the response would be positive..

Engine choices could be 4.0,4.6,5.4,5.8... Or No engine at all.. Can we order rolling chassis? LOL!! That would be awsome..

All joles aside, I believe if Ford were to re-innovate their component line up, to make the Mustang options more robust they could infact be on better footing..

No matter how hard we try, and how long this is discussed, someone is going to drop $80K to $100K on a GT500.. When this happens, it will force all other GT500's to sit on lots for a period of 4 to 6 months, untouched or looked at by sane individuals.. Watch!

 

The only way I could see this happening is if it is #0001. even #0002 will not bring anywhere near this figure.

This is becoming a dead end subject just like IRS vs. SRA. There are those that feel the cars will not be available without paying a premium and those that feel we will be buying discounted cars eventually. I suppose all we can do is wait until they start selling and see what each one goes for. We'll have to do a thread stating price paid.

The reason I keep posting the same thing ("no the AMVs won't last") is because I feel that what people read is what they will believe. If people keep posting "you won't get one for less than $55k", then they will start to believe that. I honestly don't think the AMV will last and I feel like I need to keep reminding the readers of that.

 

Agreed. One only has to look to Ford GT as proof.

 

Mr. GT500 has spoken. Well said Kevin, and the point you raise on AMV is critical.

No matter what the final MSRP ends up being, as a group we should focus on driving your point home, DO NOT pay an AMV for the GT500 or any other vehicle!! If enthusiasts stick together as a group and make the statement that we won't pay an AMV, it will benefit all of us and prevent dealers from using this tactic in the future. I don't hold any false illusions that we can make this a reality but we can only blame ourselves if we don't make an attempt.

 

Or the 6-SPD vs. the A/T.

 

Geez, I thought this thread had to do with HTT's statement of a Mustang "North of $45k", not dealer mark-up to make it over $45k. :scratch: Sorry! I'll pay $45k for a GT500 Vert.

In any event, I am waiting before final judgement. I just want Ford to get my message! :bang:

History of my messages to Ford since intro:
New Mustang:
Shelby Concept: :worship:
Initial specs (2 screw, 500 hp, etc: :worship:
Loss of some key items, but 450+ HP: :scratch: ....... :notnice:
Rumors of dealer gouge: :notnice:
Possible Ford de-content & price increase: :bang:

What next:

 

What's happened with the GT is going to happen with the 500. Ford already has the money in the Bank by selling cash and the Dealer is playing the game. Dealers have million dollars investment and they can afford the % for borrowing money if they can make a better profit by sitting tight. Granted, some GT have been sold for close to MSRP but the mayority of dealers made a killing by asking AMV. I had a dealer who will get two GT500, was #1 on the list at 5K over MSRP, assume it will sell for 40K + 5K AMV + tax & lic., I am looking at over 50K and frankly, this car is not worth that much money period.

 

Ford headquarters.

 

Keep in mind dealers love to make potential buyers think the AMV is a must, if that fails then it is used as a bargaining chip to try to settle for MSRP and make it seem as a great deal for the buyer. The AMV tactic is often an attempt to eliminate bargaining below MSRP.

Here is a short story: My '04 had a $5K AMV. There were 10 coupes available in stock in Florida at the time, all with the same AMV. I spoke to every dealer, two of them were receptive to negotiating. The negotiating started at $1K below MSRP and kept going back and forth with the two dealers. I wound up paying $2K below MSRP to a SVT dealer which I had never done business with. The deal was made over the phone with faxes exchanged and a credit card to secure the deal. In other words, the dealer sold the car for $1K over invoice which matched the highest I'd ever paid for a high performance Mustang. Research, patience, and negotiating always pays.

 

The Ford GT is an entirely different animal. It is a rare supercar that only the wealthy can afford. Even it, eventually, came down to MSRP.

The dealer telling you he would get 2 GT500s is pulling the wool over your eyes. He does not know what he is getting yet. The letter published earlier giving examples of allotment is basically minimum allotment. The catch in that is the "Share of Nation" part. That is where all the extra cars come in. It is what is left after the minimums are distributed. The rest are given to dealerships based on their prior Mustang sales. Obviously, the larger the dealer, the more he will get.

 

It does indeed. My feeling has always been that if a dealer tries to pull that nonsense on you, you simply look at him with one of these give him one of these :nono: and then if he lips you off do this

Then walk out and give them one of these just to show there's no hard feelings.



Seriously, though, while there will no doubt be dealers who try and tell you that you have about as much chance of getting into one of these cars at MSRP as Pat Robertson has of becoming Ambassador to Venezuela, it's all rhetoric. I just don't believe there are 7500 dumb people out there with that much money burning holes in their pockets.

 

BINGO

Dealers might want to adopt a wait-and-see approach to this car, to ensure that customers aren't woefully disappointed with what Ford turns out. Be amusing indeed if interest fell off after the first two month feeding frenzy, and GT500s just sat on lots.

Course, then there was yesterday's recall on yet more large numbers of Ford vehicles.

I just don't think it's too much to ask for Ford to give us the car they showed us in NY, without "dumbing down" the feature content. In fact, it would be nice to see a few added features, like body-colored, breakaway mirrors, and maybe some heated seats.

 

Crazy, you are absolutely correct ..... Having been a long time owner and supporter of SVT, I do not see this as very encouraging.

What ever happened to them hanging their hat on the sub $40k sticker price ....??

As I have said before, This car will not be in the main stream like the '03/'04 Cobra.

I am very disappointed with SVT right now .....

 

Amen!!!