Ford to drop Cobra name - Shelby replaces it
11/6/05, 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by mach1fever@November 5, 2005, 11:44 PM
Umm it says it doesn't mean it won't be used on another ford product... Does this mean a mid-way cobra between shelby and gt? Or something like a torino?
Umm it says it doesn't mean it won't be used on another ford product... Does this mean a mid-way cobra between shelby and gt? Or something like a torino?
SVT Mustang Shelby Cobra GT500 would definitely have been one of the longest names for a production car, no? Okay, first, for the actual name of the car, ditch SVT. Sure they build it, but you don't actually have to label it as such. Everybody would know its the SVT mustang. Second, i think you can ditch the mustang name too.
Again, its not like anybody would mistake it for anything else. I think you can either call this car the Shelby GT500 or the Cobra GT500. Everybody will know its a mustang, everybody who knows what SVT is will know the car is built by SVT. Lastly, if that Cobra emblem is still on the car, that's enough of a tribute to that name. I think its sweet to name the car Shelby GT500, with everyone seeing this sweet snake emblem on it, and everybody knowing its a mustang, and the people who care knowing that its built by SVT.As for the price of the car being drastically influenced by the name, that's a perfect example of humans being pretty ridiculous, that's really too bad. Since I'm not ever gonna buy one though, and my main concern is ford's ultimate glory as a car company, I say go with the sweet name!
If you're annoyed at the thought of Shelby making money off of each car sold (we don't know that! he might be happy enough just to have a bloody sweet car named after him, no?)... just chill. Whether you like the guy or not, he's probably gonna be dead in a couple years and won't be making any money at all.
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okay, that was uncalled for.
11/6/05, 12:34 AM
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~ " With all due respect to the Mustangs developed and sold By Ford Special Vehicle Engineering and the Special Vehicle Team between 1993 and 2004, Cobras are two-seat roadsters built by Selby American during the 1960s. Anything else is something else-no matter how promiscuous Ford was with that hallowed badge over the last three decades.
This is the reason the highly sought Mustangs sold from 1995 through 1970 that bear Shelby's name were never called Cobrs, even though that trademark snake appeared all over them. And this is the mindset that underpins the naming-and development- of the first new, legit Shelby Mustang in 35 years. You'll find snake logos all over this one, too-but officially, it's the Ford Shelby GT 500. No misapplied Cobra branding in sight."
Motor Trend's Mat Stone May 2005
For those that need the Cobra name, there will be a lot for sale real quick. The rest of us will have a legit Shelby.
This is the reason the highly sought Mustangs sold from 1995 through 1970 that bear Shelby's name were never called Cobrs, even though that trademark snake appeared all over them. And this is the mindset that underpins the naming-and development- of the first new, legit Shelby Mustang in 35 years. You'll find snake logos all over this one, too-but officially, it's the Ford Shelby GT 500. No misapplied Cobra branding in sight."
Motor Trend's Mat Stone May 2005
For those that need the Cobra name, there will be a lot for sale real quick. The rest of us will have a legit Shelby.
11/6/05, 12:47 AM
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welp I'm glad the Cobr...ooops GT500 will have as much HP as it does cause it will need it with that giant S-H-E-L-B-Y on th trunk lid. Must be like 500lbs of plastic there.
BTW how is it legit? because fords marketing guys called it that?? Or because shelby built it??? oops that's right he didn't SVT did.
anyhow
BTW how is it legit? because fords marketing guys called it that?? Or because shelby built it??? oops that's right he didn't SVT did.
anyhow
11/6/05, 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Svtstinger@November 5, 2005, 10:07 PM
I don't like the idea of them taking off the cobra name. I grew up seeing the mustang Cobras, not the Shelby Mustang GT500. I have always wanted to get a Mustang Cobra, especially when my brother got his 03 Cobra. Ever since I saw the next SVT Mustang, which is the Shelby Cobra GT500, I've been planning on getting it.
I wouln't mind it having the Shelby name as long as they keep the Cobra on it. If they plan on removing a part of the name take off the Shelby. This Car is really a SVT Mustang Cobra not a Shelby Mustang GT500. The Shelby part of this car is only the stripes and emblems, everything else is really SVT. All they want to do is make more money by calling it a Shelby.
If I could get a classic Shelby GT500 I would get it, who wouldn't want one. But since I want to get the top of the line 2007 Mustang, I want it to have Cobra in it, like I said I wouldn't mind it also saying Shelby on it, It would actually make the Cobra even more special if it said Shelby. If they want to make a different Cobra model, make a "R" or a "GT500KR".
Please Ford, don't mess this one up.
I don't like the idea of them taking off the cobra name. I grew up seeing the mustang Cobras, not the Shelby Mustang GT500. I have always wanted to get a Mustang Cobra, especially when my brother got his 03 Cobra. Ever since I saw the next SVT Mustang, which is the Shelby Cobra GT500, I've been planning on getting it.
I wouln't mind it having the Shelby name as long as they keep the Cobra on it. If they plan on removing a part of the name take off the Shelby. This Car is really a SVT Mustang Cobra not a Shelby Mustang GT500. The Shelby part of this car is only the stripes and emblems, everything else is really SVT. All they want to do is make more money by calling it a Shelby.
If I could get a classic Shelby GT500 I would get it, who wouldn't want one. But since I want to get the top of the line 2007 Mustang, I want it to have Cobra in it, like I said I wouldn't mind it also saying Shelby on it, It would actually make the Cobra even more special if it said Shelby. If they want to make a different Cobra model, make a "R" or a "GT500KR".
Please Ford, don't mess this one up.
Nothing has changed here.
11/6/05, 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by Svtstinger@November 5, 2005, 9:07 PM
I don't like the idea of them taking off the cobra name. I grew up seeing the mustang Cobras, not the Shelby Mustang GT500. I have always wanted to get a Mustang Cobra, especially when my brother got his 03 Cobra. Ever since I saw the next SVT Mustang, which is the Shelby Cobra GT500, I've been planning on getting it.
I wouln't mind it having the Shelby name as long as they keep the Cobra on it. If they plan on removing a part of the name take off the Shelby. This Car is really a SVT Mustang Cobra not a Shelby Mustang GT500. The Shelby part of this car is only the stripes and emblems, everything else is really SVT. All they want to do is make more money by calling it a Shelby.
If I could get a classic Shelby GT500 I would get it, who wouldn't want one. But since I want to get the top of the line 2007 Mustang, I want it to have Cobra in it, like I said I wouldn't mind it also saying Shelby on it, It would actually make the Cobra even more special if it said Shelby. If they want to make a different Cobra model, make a "R" or a "GT500KR".
Please Ford, don't mess this one up.
I don't like the idea of them taking off the cobra name. I grew up seeing the mustang Cobras, not the Shelby Mustang GT500. I have always wanted to get a Mustang Cobra, especially when my brother got his 03 Cobra. Ever since I saw the next SVT Mustang, which is the Shelby Cobra GT500, I've been planning on getting it.
I wouln't mind it having the Shelby name as long as they keep the Cobra on it. If they plan on removing a part of the name take off the Shelby. This Car is really a SVT Mustang Cobra not a Shelby Mustang GT500. The Shelby part of this car is only the stripes and emblems, everything else is really SVT. All they want to do is make more money by calling it a Shelby.
If I could get a classic Shelby GT500 I would get it, who wouldn't want one. But since I want to get the top of the line 2007 Mustang, I want it to have Cobra in it, like I said I wouldn't mind it also saying Shelby on it, It would actually make the Cobra even more special if it said Shelby. If they want to make a different Cobra model, make a "R" or a "GT500KR".
Please Ford, don't mess this one up.
I'll be compteley honest about this.. I would feel better if they removed the Shelby, added IRS suspension, and just called it a Cobra! Then just sell that for $36K..
Shelby could then take the existing Cobra's, put his name on them, drop in a 5.8L V8 and call it a GT500, selling it for whatever he wanted..
I just hate the fact that a good Cobra Mustang has been eaten up by something like marketing.. I would much rather Ford continued on with this car as a 5.4L Cobra..
Maybe Ford will still make a SVT Cobra.. All they have to do is add the IRS Suspension, and a N/A 5.4L or N/A 5.8L and I'd be extrememly pleased with it..
11/6/05, 07:30 AM
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The aura of the Shelby name means money in the bank. Ford and its dealers see this opportunity and will cash in on it. There is a bit of contradiction by Ford though, on the emphasis they place on model names. Apparently Ford wants its customers to believe name recognition applies when they claim it is so. I guess it wasn't importang for the GT-40 name, perhaps this is because Ford couldn't acquire the rights to it. If tradition and the original model name is so important it should have applied to the Ford GT as well.
Eventually the Cobra name will be brought back and its nostagia will help create another exclusive money maker. Just like the Shelby.
Eventually the Cobra name will be brought back and its nostagia will help create another exclusive money maker. Just like the Shelby.
11/6/05, 08:04 AM
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well said george!
Shelbys name for me at least isn't about just a name on the car (although some of it is) it's about how high the price of these cars will be at the dealer. And they will sell for those high prices because of the rich no brained morons that can afford to pay top dollar and get the first ones. They are the people that drive the insane pricing but shelbys name makes it all possible..
If that car was called Pinto it sure as heck wouldn't be selling for alot of cash.
Shelbys name for me at least isn't about just a name on the car (although some of it is) it's about how high the price of these cars will be at the dealer. And they will sell for those high prices because of the rich no brained morons that can afford to pay top dollar and get the first ones. They are the people that drive the insane pricing but shelbys name makes it all possible..
If that car was called Pinto it sure as heck wouldn't be selling for alot of cash.
11/6/05, 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by burningman@November 6, 2005, 11:07 AM
... If that car was called Pinto...
... If that car was called Pinto...
Are you referring to the exploding sensation from Ford?
11/6/05, 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by BC_Shelby@November 5, 2005, 7:50 PM
The Cobra emblem remains...and the S H E L B Y letters remain across the back. It's 1967 again.
OK, me happy.
Now just build enough of the friggin' things, Ford! :bang:
The Cobra emblem remains...and the S H E L B Y letters remain across the back. It's 1967 again.
OK, me happy.
Now just build enough of the friggin' things, Ford! :bang:
agree 100% - and this make me real happy
11/6/05, 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by burningman@November 5, 2005, 9:19 PM
The old Shelbys are expensive because they are rare.
The old Shelbys are expensive because they are rare.
But this # has to be put into the context of Ford selling an average of 430,000 Mustangs per year over those 6 years.
1970 GT-350 & GT-500 Mustangs were actually leftover 1969 models that didn't sell. They were re-VINed 1969 models.
Fast forward to 2007. Ford is plannig on building 7,000 GT-500s / year in a market that is buying 150,000 Mustangs per year. I question whether all those GT-500s will end up finding customers at sticker, let alone with $20K dealer markups.
11/6/05, 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by Clutch@November 6, 2005, 1:37 AM
~ " With all due respect to the Mustangs developed and sold By Ford Special Vehicle Engineering and the Special Vehicle Team between 1993 and 2004, Cobras are two-seat roadsters built by Selby American during the 1960s. Anything else is something else-no matter how promiscuous Ford was with that hallowed badge over the last three decades.
This is the reason the highly sought Mustangs sold from 1995 through 1970 that bear Shelby's name were never called Cobrs, even though that trademark snake appeared all over them. And this is the mindset that underpins the naming-and development- of the first new, legit Shelby Mustang in 35 years. You'll find snake logos all over this one, too-but officially, it's the Ford Shelby GT 500. No misapplied Cobra branding in sight."
Motor Trend's Mat Stone May 2005
For those that need the Cobra name, there will be a lot for sale real quick. The rest of us will have a legit Shelby.
~ " With all due respect to the Mustangs developed and sold By Ford Special Vehicle Engineering and the Special Vehicle Team between 1993 and 2004, Cobras are two-seat roadsters built by Selby American during the 1960s. Anything else is something else-no matter how promiscuous Ford was with that hallowed badge over the last three decades.
This is the reason the highly sought Mustangs sold from 1995 through 1970 that bear Shelby's name were never called Cobrs, even though that trademark snake appeared all over them. And this is the mindset that underpins the naming-and development- of the first new, legit Shelby Mustang in 35 years. You'll find snake logos all over this one, too-but officially, it's the Ford Shelby GT 500. No misapplied Cobra branding in sight."
Motor Trend's Mat Stone May 2005
For those that need the Cobra name, there will be a lot for sale real quick. The rest of us will have a legit Shelby.
11/6/05, 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Hoyt Clagwell@November 6, 2005, 10:23 PM
I believe the name Cobra was used on non-roadsters - The Daytona Cobra was not a roadster.
I believe the name Cobra was used on non-roadsters - The Daytona Cobra was not a roadster.
11/6/05, 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by V10@November 6, 2005, 7:46 PM
In the 6 years from 1965 - 1970, 14,368 GT-350 & GT-500 Mustangs were built. That's less than 2400 per year.
But this # has to be put into the context of Ford selling an average of 430,000 Mustangs per year over those 6 years.
1970 GT-350 & GT-500 Mustangs were actually leftover 1969 models that didn't sell. They were re-VINed 1969 models.
Fast forward to 2007. Ford is plannig on building 7,000 GT-500s / year in a market that is buying 150,000 Mustangs per year. I question whether all those GT-500s will end up finding customers at sticker, let alone with $20K dealer markups.
In the 6 years from 1965 - 1970, 14,368 GT-350 & GT-500 Mustangs were built. That's less than 2400 per year.
But this # has to be put into the context of Ford selling an average of 430,000 Mustangs per year over those 6 years.
1970 GT-350 & GT-500 Mustangs were actually leftover 1969 models that didn't sell. They were re-VINed 1969 models.
Fast forward to 2007. Ford is plannig on building 7,000 GT-500s / year in a market that is buying 150,000 Mustangs per year. I question whether all those GT-500s will end up finding customers at sticker, let alone with $20K dealer markups.
11/7/05, 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Thunder Road@November 6, 2005, 10:56 PM
Um thats Daytona Coupe, not Daytona Cobra.
Um thats Daytona Coupe, not Daytona Cobra.
11/7/05, 11:28 AM
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"A rose by any other name ..."
11/7/05, 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by BC_Shelby@November 6, 2005, 10:35 PM
Amen, brother. I think the dealers are wildly overestimating the demand, particularly given some of the car's dynamic shortcomings.
Amen, brother. I think the dealers are wildly overestimating the demand, particularly given some of the car's dynamic shortcomings.
I hope your right.. However, can you expound on the short comings of the car, for those who were not aware please? Thanks! I personally thought it was perfect.. I thought an IRS would have been nice.. So I guess I can view this as a short coming.. Interested in your meaning though..
Also, I would have preferred to see a 5.8L Supercharged engine as opposed to a 5.4L..