<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSP @ April 26, 2006, 11:11 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
He is running at 6psi? So a good number for you would be 255RWHP.. An excellent number would be 265RWHP.. As far as torque goes, a good number would be 275RWTQ.. An Excellent number would be 300RWTQ.. This is at 6psi.. You can grasp from that, what the gains would be at 9psi and 12psi with water injection..
Feel confident though that the numbers are slightly below what you are used to seeing.. This is not the fault of the unit itself, but the 6psi which has been given to the unit.. Basically a 90HP increase.. Or a 42% increase over stock..
Where as the other units you are used to seeing have been showing a 60 to 65% increase over stock..

I am saying this, so when the results are viewed they are put into perspective based on the amount of boost.. You can easily increase the amount of boost once you get the kit..

Personally, I really like the XCharger...
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Well I'm at 190rwhp N/a now. So an extra 90hp(rw?) would give me 280rwhp, right? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ April 26, 2006, 9:22 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Well I'm at 190rwhp N/a now. So an extra 90hp(rw?) would give me 280rwhp, right? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img]
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You would get about 77RWHP Extra.. Which would place you at 267RWHP!! Thats pretty good for 6psi!! Where is the credit card Agnus? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSP @ April 26, 2006, 11:33 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
You would get about 77RWHP Extra.. Which would place you at 267RWHP!! Thats pretty good for 6psi!! Where is the credit card Agnus? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]
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Bah, i don't like those numbers. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ April 26, 2006, 9:34 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Bah, i don't like those numbers. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif[/img]
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Niether does Rygen, this is why he insist on the 9psi pulley!

This would be an extra 135HP on top of your 210HP.. This would equate to about 115RWHP on top of your 190RWHP.. This would give you a grand total of 305RWHP!!

Better?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSP @ April 26, 2006, 11:37 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Niether does Rygen, this is why he insist on the 9psi pulley!

This would be an extra 135HP on top of your 210HP.. This would equate to about 115RWHP on top of your 190RWHP.. This would give you a grand total of 305RWHP!!

Better?
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But to do that I would need to snow kit, an extra $400. So we're talking over $4400 total for the X-Charger at 9PSI? I can get the ProCharger for $3650 and get around 330rwhp. Still waiting on the group buy price on the turbo.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ April 26, 2006, 9:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
But to do that I would need to snow kit, an extra $400. So we're talking over $4400 total for the X-Charger at 9PSI? I can get the ProCharger for $3650 and get around 330rwhp. Still waiting on the group buy price on the turbo.
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320RWHP @ 9psi on the Procharger using 11 psi pulley..

You may not need to snow the xcharger @ 9psi with a good heat exchanger.. I think 9psi is safe for the intercooled xcharger.. No problem... Snow kit @ 12psi..

http://www.racerwalsh.com/product/1RWA0304HE


This might also work @ 12psi with 93+ octane...

 

I never thought I would say this, but I agree with MSP's numbers. I expect something in the 265-275 RWHP range at 6 psi for the X-Charger on a dyno jet. This assumes 190 RWHP N/A. I e-mailed the Vanek's awhile back and the engine was easily making 255 RWHP with heat soak at 6 psi. A cool engine with Doug's tuning should make 10-20 more HP. One factor I would mention is the intake changes with an X-Charger. The X-Charger's intake has shorter runners compared to the stock intake. This shifts the power curve a good 500-1000 rpms north. You can see this affect on the X-Charger's Ford Ranger dyno on the Explorer Express website. That's why the dyno looks a little soft down low. The X-Charger is making boost, the intake or lack of one is hurting the power curve down low. I mention this because the relationship between boost and HP with the X-Charger is not a straight line on the dyno.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fazm @ April 26, 2006, 8:37 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
im done arguing with you, read my posts, i posted the new dyno chart from them a few weeks ago with the 10.9 afr, not worth my efforts to dig it up. just so you knkow 10% of 312 is 312. 312+31.2 = 343.2 Thats simple real math.

*presses his 'easy button' from staples* there we go, its quiet now
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Fazm's Turbo Bandwagon Post w/Dyno sheets: http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=47100

Ok, I have been quiet on this one because since I am researching what power adder I will go with, I figured I might as well know the difference between a mustang dyno and a dynojet. So, here is what I found after spending hours on the net researching this:

1. Mustang Dyno * 1.13
2. Mustang Dyno + 11% for cars over 300HP

I have seen both of the above referenced all over the place. I found 11% to be the most consistant for various cars, Ford, Chevy, Imports, etc.

Of course, the real test will be when Fazm get's his. Also, look at the ET Powerhouse is generating, with AC installed, back seat on DR's. The car wasn't striped down and it is in the 11's.

Now we just need to wait for the weekend for Doug to tune the EE. From an install perspective, is it easier to install than the Procharger and/or Vortech?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rygenstormlocke @ April 27, 2006, 7:43 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Fazm's Turbo Bandwagon Post w/Dyno sheets: http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=47100

Ok, I have been quiet on this one because since I am researching what power adder I will go with, I figured I might as well know the difference between a mustang dyno and a dynojet. So, here is what I found after spending hours on the net researching this:

1. Mustang Dyno * 1.13
2. Mustang Dyno + 11% for cars over 300HP

I have seen both of the above referenced all over the place. I found 11% to be the most consistant for various cars, Ford, Chevy, Imports, etc.

Of course, the real test will be when Fazm get's his. Also, look at the ET Powerhouse is generating, with AC installed, back seat on DR's. The car wasn't striped down and it is in the 11's.

Now we just need to wait for the weekend for Doug to tune the EE. From an install perspective, is it easier to install than the Procharger and/or Vortech?
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Rygen, you do understand that both of my old dyno's were completed with the stock Vortech tune un-touched? This is because I didnt originally have the tune installed on my Diablo unit.. So the dyno's were completed without any manipulation from me or the tuner..

Also, add a vaccum leak to it.. Be very careful how you spend you money friend.. You cant go wrong with the Powerhouse setup.. I am just saying aside from PHP, be patient and wait to see another dyno from me..

With that said, I really dont see how you guys find the strength to resist the Xcharger..

They are all good products guys.. We are very lucky to be V6 owners this time around no doubt..

 

One thing to remember is that superchargers take HP to make HP , turbos dont. That means that at the same lbs turbos will always make more power....on top of that most turbos reach full boost faster than centrifugal superchargers.

On a side note..MSP ..I took a page from your book.Your little intercooler project got me thinking , so yesterday a removed the aftercooler from the 00GT and am in the process of getting a nice front mount intercooler. I tuned the car for the meth injection only and lowered boost to 10 pounds got 415 hp 382 tq SAE. We will see what happens with more boost, the cooler and a bigger meth jet. Thanks

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Puerto Rico 4.6 @ April 27, 2006, 10:25 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
One thing to remember is that superchargers take HP to make HP , turbos dont. That means that at the same lbs turbos will always make more power....on top of that most turbos reach full boost faster than centrifugal superchargers.

On a side note..MSP ..I took a page from your book.Your little intercooler project got me thinking , so yesterday a removed the aftercooler from the 00GT and am in the process of getting a nice front mount intercooler. I tuned the car for the meth injection only and lowered boost to 10 pounds got 415 hp 382 tq SAE. We will see what happens with more boost, the cooler and a bigger meth jet. Thanks
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Sweet PR 4.6! Make sure you keep me posted.. My car is doing amazing right now...

This is my next plan or project!

http://estore.websitepros.com/802805/Detail.bok?no=795

I will do the Intake Option, Intercooler Sprayer Option, and Intercooler Water Sprayer option.. Thoughts?

I like this kit, because it is modular.. You can start off with the basic kit and build onto it.. I will eventually get all the attachments..

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSP @ April 27, 2006, 12:16 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Rygen, you do understand that both of my old dyno's were completed with the stock Vortech tune un-touched? This is because I didnt originally have the tune installed on my Diablo unit.. So the dyno's were completed without any manipulation from me or the tuner..

Also, add a vaccum leak to it.. Be very careful how you spend you money friend.. You cant go wrong with the Powerhouse setup.. I am just saying aside from PHP, be patient and wait to see another dyno from me..

With that said, I really dont see how you guys find the strength to resist the Xcharger..

They are all good products guys.. We are very lucky to be V6 owners this time around no doubt..
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Yep, havent forgotten. Don't worry, I'm patient.....very patient and will take in all information. I will wait another 8 days if I have to.

LOL.

 

Ok I know I read about a twin screw so I searched a couple forums for the thread where I thought I read it awhile ago about a twin screw S/C I typed in using the search feature at couple forums Kennebell, Whipple and Saleen came up empty.

It started aggravating me cause I couldn’t find it and I know I read something so I searched again nothing so I manual went back page by page and I Finally found it posted 5 months ago at MF. The reason I couldn’t find it with the search feature the person just abb with letters.


So here it is just for the record so you don’t think I was hallucinating or BS’ing about reading it. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_873677/tm.htm


Not much to it after finding it and reading now again but it would be nice if they did.

 

Here is something interesting, Afixer needs to post his times from yesterday. I think he ran a 9.2 on the 1/8. Thats a good first time out man.

@Afixer,

How about all the details, the people at TMS need to be brought up to speed, including that video.

[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]

 

@Rygen

It could be that Afixer may have chosen to only share the info with us, and wait for a better run to share with the community.. You know how conclusions will be drawn without the proper context.. First trip to the track, peg-leg, tune not complete, stock tires.. Alot of things which when conclusions are made about the XCharger, will not be fair..

I'm not sure he feels this way, just a guess..

 

It's highly possible, though I think it may be because his thread got a little of course, which I take part of the blame for this.

But the fact is for a first time out, with open diff, and unfinished tune, Afixer did us proud. Took that blower to the track first chance he got, like a kid with a new toy. LOL.

But I will wait for him to post it, if he dosent then I will keep posting in the other areas he put it up.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rygenstormlocke @ April 28, 2006, 1:22 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
It's highly possible, though I think it may be because his thread got a little of course, which I take part of the blame for this.

But the fact is for a first time out, with open diff, and unfinished tune, Afixer did us proud. Took that blower to the track first chance he got, like a kid with a new toy. LOL.

But I will wait for him to post it, if he dosent then I will keep posting in the other areas he put it up.
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I have been thinking.. Do you guys think its possible that the 100HP gain he has by way of the Xcharger may be similar to that of a 100shot of NOS?

Looking at the HP and TQ for the 100shot of NOS, and viewing his time, it would appear that he may indeed be somewhere close to your RWHP and RWTQ.. This is played out by the peg-leg, stock tires, and a tune which is not finished..

I am willing to bet the Xcharger is making similar numbers to a 100shot of NOS..

Your car is at 278RWHP and 362RWTQ... I would bet he is pretty close to those numbers..

My point being, if it is that is great news, because it would mean it is indeed the king of TQ.. Imagine that it would most likley exceed 400RWTQ with 9psi possibly.. Just thinking out loud..

 

Ok so looking at his 1/8th mile time of 9.174 ET, and viewing your results Rygen, I have come to the conclusion that he is indeed making similar power to a 100shot of NOS..

The difference in the times is due to peg-leg, and first time out syndrome..

Here are your times Rygen, which are posted everywhere and are always available for comparison purposes..

Afixers best run was 9.174ET in the 1/8th

Rygens are as follows.. Rygens have improved since these times were made.. I am using one of his older runs which appears to be making similar power when you factor in the handicapps which held back Afixer..

1st Run

• RT: .449
• 60: 2.138
• 330: 5.835
• 1/8: 8.954
• MPH: 77.89
• 1000: 11.680
• 1/4: 4.117
• MPH: 87.52

In this one, the difference in time = .22

2nd Run

• RT: -.240
• 60: 2.039
• 330: 5.735
• 1/8: 8.866
• MPH: 77.43
• 1000: 11.611
• 1/4: 13.931
• MPH: 96.84

This one the difference = .308

So it looks as if the difference in times could be attributed to no LSD Launch, and first time out.. I think he is pretty close to your 100shot numbers Rygen.. I am willing to bet he is making power similar to a 100shot of NOS no doubt..

 

Yea, good comparrison. My first time spraying was at a 1/8th track, and I think I did a best of 8.9. So he is definitely matching my power level. Following that, I hit the 1/4 mile track, but if you remember, I got stuck at 13.9 until my shifts got firmed up by Excessive, which then put me at 13.6.

So, given this, after he gets a tlok, some gears, proper tire pressure, and dougs tune. I'm thinking he can hit mid to high 8s for sure.

Here is a link to my time slips (if you want to compare other slips):

http://www.rygen.net/stang/track.html

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rygenstormlocke @ April 28, 2006, 2:18 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Yea, good comparrison. My first time spraying was at a 1/8th track, and I think I did a best of 8.9. So he is definitely matching my power level. Following that, I hit the 1/4 mile track, but if you remember, I got stuck at 13.9 until my shifts got firmed up by Excessive, which then put me at 13.6.

So, given this, after he gets a tlok, some gears, proper tire pressure, and dougs tune. I'm thinking he can hit mid to high 8s for sure.

Here is a link to my time slips (if you want to compare other slips):

http://www.rygen.net/stang/track.html
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Ok Rygen, so if my theory is somewhere within the ballpark then this is how the XCharger is going to break down in terms of boost..


Using your RWHP and RWTQ as a baseline, since thats all we have..

Here is MSP's theory on power from the Xcharger

HP= 14.66HP per PSI of Boost

TQ = 23.66 Ft. Lbs per PSI of boost

Ok I used 190RWHP and 220RWTQ as the basline N/A engine power

So in my theory the Xcharger will stack up like this with boost..

6psi= 277.96RWHP 361.96RWTQ

9psi= 321.94RWHP 432.94RWTQ

12psi= 365.92RWHP 503.92RWTQ


LOL!! Good lord all mighty Jesus!! If my theory is correct we are definatley in for a huge surprise.. The higher boost numbers could be subject to alittle heat soak.. But I am almost 100% sure based on the ET comparison, this is where the Xcharger is at.. Lets see how close my theory is... If it comes anywhere close to these numbers, that is F'ing awsome!!

Keep in mind, heatsoak could diminsh the numbers by 1-10 in the higher boost numbers.. But I am almost positive this is how it will stack up.. I know the numbers seem to good to be true in the 9 and 12psi range, but thats where the numbers take us..

@Afixer

We need you to release the dyno numbers asap... Please.. LOL!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]