PipeLine Intercooled V6 8psi results
2/22/06, 07:54 PM
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The car made 304HP & 342 FTLBS, but as you will see with the graphs below this car made as much torque as a stock 3V by 2700 RPM and made 340 FTLBS by 3400 RPM. Average torque over the pull is 317 FTLBS. All testing was done on a Mustang Dyno, one graph scales the AFR and PSI and the other graph scales HP & TQ. Testing was performed with 93 Octane.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/pwr...t/8lbsHP_TQ.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/pwr...8lbsPSI_AFR.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/pwr...t/8lbsHP_TQ.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/pwr...8lbsPSI_AFR.jpg
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ya no kidding. Thats insane, makes me happy that im going to be going with that setup eventually [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] Most likely 9-12 psi though lol.
2/22/06, 09:01 PM
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I thought the kit was going to be 7, 9 and 11PSI? How is that 4.0 doing? Are you still using the original test engine?
I have 3.73 gears installed right now. Is that too low of a gear for the turbo? If i get the turbo and run it at the track is it going to wind the engine too high? TIA
I have 3.73 gears installed right now. Is that too low of a gear for the turbo? If i get the turbo and run it at the track is it going to wind the engine too high? TIA
2/23/06, 03:10 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ February 22, 2006, 10:04 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I thought the kit was going to be 7, 9 and 11PSI? How is that 4.0 doing? Are you still using the original test engine?
I have 3.73 gears installed right now. Is that too low of a gear for the turbo? If i get the turbo and run it at the track is it going to wind the engine too high? TIA
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Good questions Jimp!
Nice TQ for 304HP & by 2700RPM on a turbo!!
What Lag [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
(Thinking out loud maybe not worth the gain going to 9psi and 8 is looking good intercooled & safer but want to hear what Mike says)
I thought the kit was going to be 7, 9 and 11PSI? How is that 4.0 doing? Are you still using the original test engine?
I have 3.73 gears installed right now. Is that too low of a gear for the turbo? If i get the turbo and run it at the track is it going to wind the engine too high? TIA
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Good questions Jimp!
Nice TQ for 304HP & by 2700RPM on a turbo!!
What Lag [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
(Thinking out loud maybe not worth the gain going to 9psi and 8 is looking good intercooled & safer but want to hear what Mike says)
2/23/06, 07:18 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ February 22, 2006, 11:04 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I thought the kit was going to be 7, 9 and 11PSI? How is that 4.0 doing? Are you still using the original test engine?
I have 3.73 gears installed right now. Is that too low of a gear for the turbo? If i get the turbo and run it at the track is it going to wind the engine too high? TIA
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The Intercooled V6 system will be released at 9PSI, but at 8PSI it seems to make sufficient power. We will post the results of 7PSI Non-Intercooled & 9 PSI Intercooled shortly, and yes this is still a stock longblock.
As for the gear ratio we are currently running 3.55's, but the 3.73's depending on tire size will probably trap at a little higher RPM then desired. I guess the biggest factor is how much you will race the car vs. drive the car on the street. On the street you always have the option of 5th gear, and with the amount of torque availible 5th gear now becomes fun also.
I thought the kit was going to be 7, 9 and 11PSI? How is that 4.0 doing? Are you still using the original test engine?
I have 3.73 gears installed right now. Is that too low of a gear for the turbo? If i get the turbo and run it at the track is it going to wind the engine too high? TIA
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The Intercooled V6 system will be released at 9PSI, but at 8PSI it seems to make sufficient power. We will post the results of 7PSI Non-Intercooled & 9 PSI Intercooled shortly, and yes this is still a stock longblock.
As for the gear ratio we are currently running 3.55's, but the 3.73's depending on tire size will probably trap at a little higher RPM then desired. I guess the biggest factor is how much you will race the car vs. drive the car on the street. On the street you always have the option of 5th gear, and with the amount of torque availible 5th gear now becomes fun also.
2/23/06, 10:52 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goliath @ February 23, 2006, 11:09 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I'd love to see a comparisson of the MPH turbo vs. ProCharger vs. Vortech @ 9PSI comparisson.
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Goliath as you know I am considering the Procharger and Mikes turbo take a look at below.
Thinking out loud IMO below
Ok compared Mikes graph to the Procharger P-1SC at 9psi vs Mike’s turbo at 8psi, as I am reading Mike’s chart as black = HP and green = TQ
Procharger chart per Mustang 5.0 magazine starts at 3,510 RPM.
Procharger 321HP@306TQ-9psi
Mikes Turbo 304HP@340TQ-8psi
Dyno results Procharger vs.Mike's turbo
Procharger 3,510-RPM 188/HP-280/TQ
Turbo 3,510-RPM 225/HP-340/TQ
Procharger 4,000-RPM 227HP-298/TQ
Turbo 4,000-RPM 260HP-340TQ
Procharger 4,500-RPM 262HP-305TQ
Turbo 4,500-RPM 290HP-342TQ
Procharger 5,000-RPM 289HP-303TQ
Turbo 5,000-RPM 304HP-315TQ
Pretty impressive for the turbo and a couple notes here, below 35,10 RPM the turbo will dominate even more!! The Procharger hit 306HP at 5700RPM and didn’t hit its peak HP till 5,790@321HP
The turbo will dominate off the line (1/8 &1/4)) and will effectively have the better ET time per both cars hook up.
That’s just a quick view above look at both graphs in more detail and you will see even more, this turbo acts more like a roots type supercharger to me with power coming on at a lower RPM range than expected I mean this is nice!.
I'd love to see a comparisson of the MPH turbo vs. ProCharger vs. Vortech @ 9PSI comparisson.
[/b][/quote]
Goliath as you know I am considering the Procharger and Mikes turbo take a look at below.
Thinking out loud IMO below
Ok compared Mikes graph to the Procharger P-1SC at 9psi vs Mike’s turbo at 8psi, as I am reading Mike’s chart as black = HP and green = TQ
Procharger chart per Mustang 5.0 magazine starts at 3,510 RPM.
Procharger 321HP@306TQ-9psi
Mikes Turbo 304HP@340TQ-8psi
Dyno results Procharger vs.Mike's turbo
Procharger 3,510-RPM 188/HP-280/TQ
Turbo 3,510-RPM 225/HP-340/TQ
Procharger 4,000-RPM 227HP-298/TQ
Turbo 4,000-RPM 260HP-340TQ
Procharger 4,500-RPM 262HP-305TQ
Turbo 4,500-RPM 290HP-342TQ
Procharger 5,000-RPM 289HP-303TQ
Turbo 5,000-RPM 304HP-315TQ
Pretty impressive for the turbo and a couple notes here, below 35,10 RPM the turbo will dominate even more!! The Procharger hit 306HP at 5700RPM and didn’t hit its peak HP till 5,790@321HP
The turbo will dominate off the line (1/8 &1/4)) and will effectively have the better ET time per both cars hook up.
That’s just a quick view above look at both graphs in more detail and you will see even more, this turbo acts more like a roots type supercharger to me with power coming on at a lower RPM range than expected I mean this is nice!.
2/23/06, 11:14 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mike@PowerHouse @ February 22, 2006, 9:57 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The car made 304HP & 342 FTLBS, but as you will see with the graphs below this car made as much torque as a stock 3V by 2700 RPM and made 340 FTLBS by 3400 RPM. Average torque over the pull is 317 FTLBS. All testing was done on a Mustang Dyno, one graph scales the AFR and PSI and the other graph scales HP & TQ. Testing was performed with 93 Octane.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/pwr...t/8lbsHP_TQ.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/pwr...8lbsPSI_AFR.jpg
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Awesome!
How about a sound clip? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]
The car made 304HP & 342 FTLBS, but as you will see with the graphs below this car made as much torque as a stock 3V by 2700 RPM and made 340 FTLBS by 3400 RPM. Average torque over the pull is 317 FTLBS. All testing was done on a Mustang Dyno, one graph scales the AFR and PSI and the other graph scales HP & TQ. Testing was performed with 93 Octane.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/pwr...t/8lbsHP_TQ.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/pwr...8lbsPSI_AFR.jpg
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Awesome!
How about a sound clip? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]
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With that much power down below , how will it handle if I tap the gas in a turn? will the car break loose in the rain? And how easily can it hook on take off.
I like the numbers , but am worried about turning into the power and breaking loose much to quickly. What are your feelings on it?
I like the numbers , but am worried about turning into the power and breaking loose much to quickly. What are your feelings on it?
2/23/06, 01:40 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mike@PowerHouse @ February 23, 2006, 9:21 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The Intercooled V6 system will be released at 9PSI, but at 8PSI it seems to make sufficient power. We will post the results of 7PSI Non-Intercooled & 9 PSI Intercooled shortly, and yes this is still a stock longblock.
As for the gear ratio we are currently running 3.55's, but the 3.73's depending on tire size will probably trap at a little higher RPM then desired. I guess the biggest factor is how much you will race the car vs. drive the car on the street. On the street you always have the option of 5th gear, and with the amount of torque availible 5th gear now becomes fun also.
[/b][/quote]
Thanks for the info! Just to be clear: this is still the same exact engine that was used to test the nitrous and has been used to develop the turbo as well? Even more direct: have there been any engine failures?
Also, I have the GT 17" wheels and tires now. I'm pretty sure they are about 26". If I get drag radials, should the OD be more or less than I have now? What should I get to make sure I don't rev too high in the 1/4?
I've been going back and forth on whether I should just stick with the nitrous or get the turbo and right now I'm leaning pretty heavily in favor of the turbo. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/worship.gif[/img]
P.S. If a customer already has an SCT-2, will you knock some off the price? IOW, I don't need an extra SCT-2, just the tune itself on disc. TIA
The Intercooled V6 system will be released at 9PSI, but at 8PSI it seems to make sufficient power. We will post the results of 7PSI Non-Intercooled & 9 PSI Intercooled shortly, and yes this is still a stock longblock.
As for the gear ratio we are currently running 3.55's, but the 3.73's depending on tire size will probably trap at a little higher RPM then desired. I guess the biggest factor is how much you will race the car vs. drive the car on the street. On the street you always have the option of 5th gear, and with the amount of torque availible 5th gear now becomes fun also.
[/b][/quote]
Thanks for the info! Just to be clear: this is still the same exact engine that was used to test the nitrous and has been used to develop the turbo as well? Even more direct: have there been any engine failures?
Also, I have the GT 17" wheels and tires now. I'm pretty sure they are about 26". If I get drag radials, should the OD be more or less than I have now? What should I get to make sure I don't rev too high in the 1/4?
I've been going back and forth on whether I should just stick with the nitrous or get the turbo and right now I'm leaning pretty heavily in favor of the turbo. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/worship.gif[/img]
P.S. If a customer already has an SCT-2, will you knock some off the price? IOW, I don't need an extra SCT-2, just the tune itself on disc. TIA
2/23/06, 02:03 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJ06 @ February 23, 2006, 12:55 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Goliath as you know I am considering the Procharger and Mikes turbo take a look at below.
Thinking out loud IMO below
Ok compared Mikes graph to the Procharger P-1SC at 9psi vs Mike’s turbo at 8psi, as I am reading Mike’s chart as black = HP and green = TQ
Procharger chart per Mustang 5.0 magazine starts at 3,510 RPM.
Procharger 321HP@306TQ-9psi
Mikes Turbo 304HP@340TQ-8psi
Dyno results Procharger vs.Mike's turbo
Procharger 3,510-RPM 188/HP-280/TQ
Turbo 3,510-RPM 225/HP-340/TQ
Procharger 4,000-RPM 227HP-298/TQ
Turbo 4,000-RPM 260HP-340TQ
Procharger 4,500-RPM 262HP-305TQ
Turbo 4,500-RPM 290HP-342TQ
Procharger 5,000-RPM 289HP-303TQ
Turbo 5,000-RPM 304HP-315TQ
Pretty impressive for the turbo and a couple notes here, below 35,10 RPM the turbo will dominate even more!! The Procharger hit 306HP at 5700RPM and didn’t hit its peak HP till 5,790@321HP
The turbo will dominate off the line (1/8 &1/4)) and will effectively have the better ET time per both cars hook up.
That’s just a quick view above look at both graphs in more detail and you will see even more, this turbo acts more like a roots type supercharger to me with power coming on at a lower RPM range than expected I mean this is nice!.
[/b][/quote]
That was the thing that impressed me with my test ride in Mike's car... the amount of friggin' torque off the line!!! Talk about pushing your butt into the seat!!! Especially when you don't have a steering wheel to hold on to!!! LOL!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ February 23, 2006, 3:43 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Thanks for the info! Just to be clear: this is still the same exact engine that was used to test the nitrous and has been used to develop the turbo as well? Even more direct: have there been any engine failures?
Also, I have the GT 17" wheels and tires now. I'm pretty sure they are about 26". If I get drag radials, should the OD be more or less than I have now? What should I get to make sure I don't rev too high in the 1/4?
I've been going back and forth on whether I should just stick with the nitrous or get the turbo and right now I'm leaning pretty heavily in favor of the turbo. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/worship.gif[/img]
P.S. If a customer already has an SCT-2, will you knock some off the price? IOW, I don't need an extra SCT-2, just the tune itself on disc. TIA
[/b][/quote]
Some where in a thread a long time ago.... we discussed that both Mike and Lidio push their cars well beyond what us mere mortals would do and in fact both Mike and Lidio popped their orginal motors...
Goliath as you know I am considering the Procharger and Mikes turbo take a look at below.
Thinking out loud IMO below
Ok compared Mikes graph to the Procharger P-1SC at 9psi vs Mike’s turbo at 8psi, as I am reading Mike’s chart as black = HP and green = TQ
Procharger chart per Mustang 5.0 magazine starts at 3,510 RPM.
Procharger 321HP@306TQ-9psi
Mikes Turbo 304HP@340TQ-8psi
Dyno results Procharger vs.Mike's turbo
Procharger 3,510-RPM 188/HP-280/TQ
Turbo 3,510-RPM 225/HP-340/TQ
Procharger 4,000-RPM 227HP-298/TQ
Turbo 4,000-RPM 260HP-340TQ
Procharger 4,500-RPM 262HP-305TQ
Turbo 4,500-RPM 290HP-342TQ
Procharger 5,000-RPM 289HP-303TQ
Turbo 5,000-RPM 304HP-315TQ
Pretty impressive for the turbo and a couple notes here, below 35,10 RPM the turbo will dominate even more!! The Procharger hit 306HP at 5700RPM and didn’t hit its peak HP till 5,790@321HP
The turbo will dominate off the line (1/8 &1/4)) and will effectively have the better ET time per both cars hook up.
That’s just a quick view above look at both graphs in more detail and you will see even more, this turbo acts more like a roots type supercharger to me with power coming on at a lower RPM range than expected I mean this is nice!.
[/b][/quote]
That was the thing that impressed me with my test ride in Mike's car... the amount of friggin' torque off the line!!! Talk about pushing your butt into the seat!!! Especially when you don't have a steering wheel to hold on to!!! LOL!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ February 23, 2006, 3:43 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Thanks for the info! Just to be clear: this is still the same exact engine that was used to test the nitrous and has been used to develop the turbo as well? Even more direct: have there been any engine failures?
Also, I have the GT 17" wheels and tires now. I'm pretty sure they are about 26". If I get drag radials, should the OD be more or less than I have now? What should I get to make sure I don't rev too high in the 1/4?
I've been going back and forth on whether I should just stick with the nitrous or get the turbo and right now I'm leaning pretty heavily in favor of the turbo. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/worship.gif[/img]
P.S. If a customer already has an SCT-2, will you knock some off the price? IOW, I don't need an extra SCT-2, just the tune itself on disc. TIA
[/b][/quote]
Some where in a thread a long time ago.... we discussed that both Mike and Lidio push their cars well beyond what us mere mortals would do and in fact both Mike and Lidio popped their orginal motors...
2/23/06, 02:29 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(scrming @ February 23, 2006, 4:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
That was the thing that impressed me with my test ride in Mike's car... the amount of friggin' torque off the line!!! Talk about pushing your butt into the seat!!! Especially when you don't have a steering wheel to hold on to!!! LOL!
Some where in a thread a long time ago.... we discussed that both Mike and Lidio push their cars well beyond what us mere mortals would do and in fact both Mike and Lidio popped their orginal motors...
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I know he blew the V8. Did he blow the 4.0 as well? If so, I'd be curious about the details. What failed(if anything)? I'd like to know what the weak point of the engine actually is.
That was the thing that impressed me with my test ride in Mike's car... the amount of friggin' torque off the line!!! Talk about pushing your butt into the seat!!! Especially when you don't have a steering wheel to hold on to!!! LOL!
Some where in a thread a long time ago.... we discussed that both Mike and Lidio push their cars well beyond what us mere mortals would do and in fact both Mike and Lidio popped their orginal motors...
[/b][/quote]
I know he blew the V8. Did he blow the 4.0 as well? If so, I'd be curious about the details. What failed(if anything)? I'd like to know what the weak point of the engine actually is.
2/23/06, 02:58 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ February 23, 2006, 4:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I know he blew the V8. Did he blow the 4.0 as well? If so, I'd be curious about the details. What failed(if anything)? I'd like to know what the weak point of the engine actually is.
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can't find the thread now... basicaly desperate times call for desperate measure... Mike felt they really need to make a GREAT showing... bottles got a little to hot and ran with the pressure at 1200 PSI!!! Popped a piston(s)... They replaced it with another stock 4.0..
I know he blew the V8. Did he blow the 4.0 as well? If so, I'd be curious about the details. What failed(if anything)? I'd like to know what the weak point of the engine actually is.
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can't find the thread now... basicaly desperate times call for desperate measure... Mike felt they really need to make a GREAT showing... bottles got a little to hot and ran with the pressure at 1200 PSI!!! Popped a piston(s)... They replaced it with another stock 4.0..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackLX4.0 @ February 23, 2006, 4:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I know he blew the V8. Did he blow the 4.0 as well? If so, I'd be curious about the details. What failed(if anything)? I'd like to know what the weak point of the engine actually is.
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When the original engine let go it was due to getting greedy at an event, but the piston design sure did not help.
The engine in the car currently is a salvage replacement 05, it did not even have enough miles on it to wear the paint off the ider pulley. When the engine was replaced the car was baselined stock to compare to the orignal engine and was almost identical give or take 1 or 2 HP. This is the same engine that made 400 RWHP and went 11.81 at Milan Dragway.
As for our GT test car it still retains its factory engine, as we have yet to break it. Despite RWHP in excess of 550 and 10 second et's.
I know he blew the V8. Did he blow the 4.0 as well? If so, I'd be curious about the details. What failed(if anything)? I'd like to know what the weak point of the engine actually is.
[/b][/quote]
When the original engine let go it was due to getting greedy at an event, but the piston design sure did not help.
The engine in the car currently is a salvage replacement 05, it did not even have enough miles on it to wear the paint off the ider pulley. When the engine was replaced the car was baselined stock to compare to the orignal engine and was almost identical give or take 1 or 2 HP. This is the same engine that made 400 RWHP and went 11.81 at Milan Dragway.
As for our GT test car it still retains its factory engine, as we have yet to break it. Despite RWHP in excess of 550 and 10 second et's.
2/23/06, 03:47 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mike@PowerHouse @ February 23, 2006, 5:14 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
When the original engine let go it was due to getting greedy at an event, but the piston design sure did not help.
The engine in the car currently is a salvage replacement 05, it did not even have enough miles on it to wear the paint off the ider pulley. When the engine was replaced the car was baselined stock to compare to the orignal engine and was almost identical give or take 1 or 2 HP. This is the same engine that made 400 RWHP and went 11.81 at Milan Dragway.
As for our GT test car it still retains its factory engine, as we have yet to break it. Despite RWHP in excess of 550 and 10 second et's.
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Sorry to hear that! What about my other question? I guess if I take my car to the track with my 3.73s and the turbo I'd need a larger OD tire? What size would be ideal? Maybe MSP can help, he's the math wiz!
Also, what about a discount if we already have the SCT tuner?
When the original engine let go it was due to getting greedy at an event, but the piston design sure did not help.
The engine in the car currently is a salvage replacement 05, it did not even have enough miles on it to wear the paint off the ider pulley. When the engine was replaced the car was baselined stock to compare to the orignal engine and was almost identical give or take 1 or 2 HP. This is the same engine that made 400 RWHP and went 11.81 at Milan Dragway.
As for our GT test car it still retains its factory engine, as we have yet to break it. Despite RWHP in excess of 550 and 10 second et's.
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Sorry to hear that! What about my other question? I guess if I take my car to the track with my 3.73s and the turbo I'd need a larger OD tire? What size would be ideal? Maybe MSP can help, he's the math wiz!
Also, what about a discount if we already have the SCT tuner?
2/23/06, 04:26 PM
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TJ06 I recognized the area under the curve w/ the turbo was superior, it was what I suspected all along, but I'd still like to have each dyno sheet side by side to look at to compare AF ratios and whatever else could be a factor. if I stay in the 4.0 camp I'm definitely gettin me one of these babies!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd love to see a comparisson of the MPH turbo vs. ProCharger vs. Vortech @ 9PSI comparisson. [/b][/quote]
I'm sure we will after we're done, but we all know who's going to win...
darn you, Mike. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] I wish I could've parted with an extra $1000. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
I'm sure we will after we're done, but we all know who's going to win...
darn you, Mike. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] I wish I could've parted with an extra $1000. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]