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Old 5/7/08, 02:10 PM
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Ford Holset V6 Mustang Turbo

Here is a shot of the LS6 Killer! This is what a 2002 Corvette Z06 Killer looks like in the engine bay.

He killed one last night. So all you S197 V6 owners don't let them fool you! don't trade in your V6 Mustang!

What your looking at is 375RWHP and 381RWTQ using 91 octane @ 10 degrees timing! The options for more boost and race gas exist, so don't get cocky!

Don't worry Brad, I will never allow the flame to flicker on the V6 Mustang! You need us! LOL!





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nice kill! should be a drivers race as that is about the same power or slightly above the 405hp z06 dyno at. and given they are lighter should even out a bit but still favor the vette.

True test is if your car can run around a 12.7 or faster in the 1/4 on regular street tires.
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Originally Posted by Knight
nice kill! should be a drivers race as that is about the same power or slightly above the 405hp z06 dyno at. and given they are lighter should even out a bit but still favor the vette.

True test is if your car can run around a 12.7 or faster in the 1/4 on regular street tires.
Yeah my neighbors Z06 has an aftermarket tune, longtube headers, and a cold air intake on a dyno tune. He is a solid 380RWHP at the tire, on a 3300lbs chassis.

My car is 3750lbs. So I had to overcome a weight deficit to pull on him. Cold air helps. I have a 4in thick intercooler to make sure boost temps never climb more than 2 degrees over ambient temperatures.

This was a roll from 50MPH in 4th gear for both of us. So it was on 1:1 terms and only raw HP could save you.. He has drag radials on, so from a dig, I would have to run him down. At 9psi I don't think I could run him down in 1/4 mile. I would need more than that possibly. I would also need drag radials..
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WOW..............
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Originally Posted by slowjoe24
WOW..............

Thanks man! Looking at the review for the 2002 Z06, I would say I have accomplished something quite spectacular looking at the raw data of the 02 Z06.

The Holset Turbo, used in Indy car racing blows very hard I guess..

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...rticleId=48955

On its face, the 02 Z06 is a very stout performer. To take a $23K Mustang V6, using the 100% stock motor and massaging it enough to overcompensate for the weight advantage and 100 cubic inches is astonishing, now that I am looking at the raw data.

Looks like they got it to run a 12.6ET @ 115 using street tires.. Thats moving pretty good. What does a stock GT500 do in the 1/4 mile? Looks like 12.8 ET @ 113MPH based on this review.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=118839

So I'm not doing to shabby then..
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yeah your car is definatly worth


Outta curiousity, did you upgrade the rear end at all?
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Originally Posted by Knight
yeah your car is definatly worth


Outta curiousity, did you upgrade the rear end at all?
No it still has the 7.5 rear-end with upgraded T-LOK using the stock 3.31's.

I am a believer that the V6 Mustang should keep the 7.5 rear-end, and using the stock motor make no more than 450RWHP.

I keep the street tires on it so I don't have problems with the tranny and rear-end.

However if your going to hit the track often, its better to upgrade to the 8.8.
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Impressive. Do you have any hood clearance issues with the air filter angled slightly upward? You have a cowl hood, right?
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Long live the V6!
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What up Rygen! No I don't have any hood clearance issues at all. I angle up the cone filter so that when I am at speed, and the cowl is shoving air into the engine bay, the cone filter can reach out and grab as much cold air as possible. It may look like its above the hoodline in the pics, but its not.

You can see that the intake pipe sits higher than the filter, and it clears the hood as well..

Whats going on under your hood Rygen?.....Cough...Cough...five point four....cough..cough.. LOL!

Is she ready to hit the rollers yet?

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Originally Posted by MSP
Is she ready to hit the rollers yet?
Any day now. I plan to pick it up next Friday, so I can run at the Memorial Day Classic at Mason Dixon Dragway.
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Originally Posted by rygenstormlocke
Any day now. I plan to pick it up next Friday, so I can run at the Memorial Day Classic at Mason Dixon Dragway.
Thats great news Rygen! Make sure to make lots and lots of fabulous videos!

I'm sure you have all the camera gear setup! Like the one which sits over your left should pointed over the hood, but still allows the viewer to see the boost gauges.

You be careful out there Rygen! Its a big difference going from a turbo V6 @ 500RWHP, to a 5.4L V8 turbo with 750-800RWHP. I think you should keep the boost low at Mason Dixon, since it will be your first time out.

You will know that something is different, cause after the 1/8th mile the rear bumper is going to sag down onto the pavement as the car tries to twist itself before it reaches the traps!

You are a lucky man Rygen! Congrats and job well done!

@Evil Capri

Thanks man! The website looks great!
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nice msp... try something higher say a built motor 2v saleen pushing over 4 from a 45 roll... fun fun..
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MSP, what's up. Long time no see. Nice setup, your best so far I believe.
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Whats up armycook1981 and ranebowcyxx! Whats new guys? Hows your cars doing?

Are you guys hanging out for the new Mustang V6's like me? Hopefully I can pick one up sometime in 2009.
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how makes the turbo system is it hp turbo
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Originally Posted by jwooski
how makes the turbo system is it hp turbo
I designed, built, installed and tuned it myself. In my garage. It took quite awhile to make it exactly the way I wanted it.

I started out building a twin turbo system, and discovered along the way a big single could be just as effective.

This current system can make 5-6psi from anywhere in the RPM instantly. I can make 5-6psi of boost in 1st gear from a dead stop @ 1000RPM, without first spooling the turbo.

This functionality of this is based on the twin scroll aspect of the system. which is my 2nd revision of the Single turbo system. My first version of the single turbo was not twin scroll.

Here is a pic of what twin scroll looks like.. This is how my current system is designed. It offers the fastest spooling capability of large turbo's. It produces very little back pressure and promotes top end HP. You can see in my HP and TQ numbers, I have very limited back pressure in the system.

This picture is from a WRX Twin Scroll system designed by APS. Its a $4000 dollar upgrade for a Subaru WRX. I stole the idea from the WRX's.. LOL!


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Also its important to note, that the reason why I went about designing the twin scroll system was prompted by the situation with the SOHC 4.0. The stock heads on the engine are know for valve float around 5000RPM. This is caused by excessive back pressure. This stifles the power of the SOHC 4.0 using a turbo system.

I have eliminated valve float using the twinscroll system while still using the stock heads and cams, with no aftermarket shims.

The dyno in which I made 375RWHP was a pull to only 5500RPM. I was collecting data in regards to the issue of valve float. The actual redline for the SOHC 4.0 is 6000RPM. So I could have made more power on 91 octane, if I made a pull to 6000RPM.

I will get another dyno soon, and we will see what a pull to 6000RPM looks like, since my dyno session proved that I did accomplish my goal of eliminating the valve float issue.

There was no need for me to make a pull to 6000RPM until I knew I was not floating the valves.
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I remember the stock valve spring issue rears its ugly head between 5500 and 6000 rpm. You will notice a lot of 4.0 dyno sheets, FI or NA have a little bump at that RPM. Shimming the valve springs fixes that issue, and also makes the high rpm power band smoother, and gives you on an FI car, up to a 20hp bump up top.

If the dyno sheet is smoothed out, its not as noticable.


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