I bought a package from RPM outlet(crap incarnate as far as service is concerned, be warned), that included a BBK Throttle body, underdrive pulleys, an SCT tuner, and a choice of 3 different intakes(Steeda 90mm, C&L, and S&B). Anyway, after not having the C&L intake in stock, and not telling me till I called, RPM outlet sent me the kit with the S&B intake. the car ran great with the tune, pulleys and intake, but when I added the throttle body - Failsafe Mode. I tried everything I could think of, but it just wouldn't run with it on the car. I called SCT to see if they could email me a tune, and they said that I really didn't need the BBK to begin with, as long as I was N/A. I'm thinking that with a different intake, maybe I can still use the throttle body. Anybody have any ideas?

 

Not sure but many have complained of the same sort of issues with throttle bodys added on, and supposedly they are not showing a lot of gains either. I know many have taken them off and thrown them in the basement after issues like this. If there is anyway to send it back I would. Considering they cost a pretty penny, and thats all they same to be good for is being pretty. But like I said there have been many topics of fail safe on these throttle bodies, plates sticking, gears not set up right etc. So hopefully someone has seen this issue on this and gotten it working good luck.

 

all i can say is sorry dude, RPM outlet will not take it back since it was a package deal and the intake is fine it is the TB that is your problem, i say keep it as a paperweight cause that is all it is good for, the only TB worth even thinking about is the one off the GT500

 

+1 to what is mentioned above.
1) RPMoutlet not the way to got for anything really
2) aftermarket TBs cause problems, many people have documented this many times. GT500 TB is the way to go. I have no problems with mine.
3) The tunes they gave you are the "canned" tunes. I would get some custom tunes from Bamachips or Brenspeed ASAP and then you will really feel the difference.
4) If you can just send it all back since you didnt get the intake you wanted and the TB doesn't work anyway.

 

when your car went to failsafe, what dtc codes did you get with your sct?

 

Man, should have spent the extra dough for the JLT/SCT combo we sell, or the 95mm racer intake/SCT combo we sell with the Steeda pulleys.

The reason they advertise cheap packages like they do is because they don't actually have what you want, they send out something different. That's why multiple parts are the same price... such as JLT/C&L. They sell them for the same price? There's 100 dollar difference! That's how you know you're not getting the advertised piece.

I'll send you out a custom 93 tune for free, if you like it you can purchase any choice of two for 75 bucks, just because I HATE seeing people get screwed from RPM Outlet.

My advice... sell the BBK on eBay and get the GT500 TB. There will be plenty available used with low miles, as the KB kit comes with a new one!

CR
Tillman Speed

 

If I'm not mistaken you will need a spacer to fit the GT500 TB right? I think JDM is selling a kit for the GT500 TB that includes the spacer for $299.00 I think. Looks like that might be one of my next modds after the cams get installed. Thought I read somewhere that the problem w/the aftermartket TB is the material used to make the blades are much heavier then the stock ford blades and they are not opening and closing like they should. I read on one of these forums that w/the BBK there is a screw or something on the side of it you can adjust. I would say contact BBK directly and see what they say. I have heard way to many bad things about RPM outlet so this is yet another "example" of why NOT to go with them! Good Luck.

 

I have the LFP TB on my car and it ran good for awhile....then mine also went into failsafe....I tightened up the spring under the plastic spring head and all is fine again...My instructions said to turn the plastic spring head counter clockwise until it engaged...I only had to turn mine a quarter turn for it to engage, so that was where I left it initially....looking at the actual parts that engage together, every 1/4 turn it'll engage again, so the second time I turned the spring a half turn and engaged it again, that's what it's set at now...ever since then it's been fine....I've had it on my car since August of 05' and it's still working fine....Back when the TBs first came out there was some that turned that spring too tight and had issues. The rule of thumb was don't turn the spring past a full turn...Try a half turn or even a 3/4 turn of the spring and see if it's better....it fixed mine.

hags

 

It will go into failsafe mode if the spring tension is wrong. It could throw code: throttle body stuck closed, etc.

However, even when the tension is set right on the BBK they're still hit or miss. Some guys have had luck and got them to function with N/A, but most we've seen and heard about function properly S/C.

CR
Tillman Speed

 

that's why I'm waiting for the ford GT500 TB.. from what I hear it's no hassle.

 

The problem that most have with the TB is with setting it up. You cant just throw it on and hope it will work. Go ahead and pm me with your email address and I will shoot you over a copy of the trouble shooting guide used by BBK's R&D dept. This has solved every issue that we have ever encountered.

Thanks

Brian
Stillen Sportsparts

 

Do they still have them available at that price? I believe this would be a good mod for the price but much higher than $299 my interest would start to fall off.

 

I'm using a BBK 62mm TB on my built VT engines l/b with a KB 2.6H blower. It replaced a Loki Performance 62mm TB which began binding up (brass gears) with the extreme underhood temps generated by the KB. I'm having no such trouble with the BBK, it has plastic gears like the stock TB. I'm making 674/650 on race gas @ 24psi. BTW, the GT500 TB is only 60mm.

 

I believe JDM is still offering them for the $299.00 I would check modularefords.com's forum. That's where I saw the thread about the sellof the kits.

 

was it still in failsafe after you took it off? If so how did you get it back to normal?

 

sorry to hear that daddypop. i was going to get one after i saw the article about the bbk tb in 5.0 or mmff, cant remember which one. after i started hearing of all the problems, i decided to forget about getting one.

havent heard about using the gt500's tb. what kind of gains can one expect with that? anyone know?

 

I'm also wondering about what kind of gains to expect from the GT500 throttle body. Anyone know?

 

Its smaller than the bbk tb by what 2mm each side, so i would say like a 1-3 hp difference and the bbk is only making 8-12 if your lucky.

 

My advice... sell the BBK on eBay and get the GT500 TB. There will be plenty available used with low miles, as the KB kit comes with a new one!

CR
Tillman Speed[/quote]
Will the GT500 throttle body fit?

 

Just for the hell of it, this weekend I tried REintstalling the BBK throttle body onto our 06 we had in here for some other work. I installed, loaded the tune and it went into failsafe. I went over the instructions on proper voltage from above nearly 10 times and the **** thing wouldn't rev up for crap, and finally went into failsafe mode. After 3 times clearing the battery, adjusting the spring, and checking voltage... I gave up.

This was my last attempt. Go GT500 people!!!