Route 66

God I'm glad that motorcycle didn't pull out in front of him in the second video. That would've been a total loss.

Stang281

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(red454 @ April 29, 2006, 8:29 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I am sure you have considered this, but what sort of stress does this put on the engine? I have seen a few (supercharged) engines that did not fare well. Is it simply a matter of a good tune?
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A good conservative tune.

Let me restate that...

A good conservative tune, by a tuner that you trust. Also, make sure the installation of everything will be/is done correctly. Another safety precaution is to constantly monitor your gauges and getting a quarterly or bi-yearly re-tune.

don_w

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stang281 @ May 1, 2006, 5:08 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
A good conservative tune.
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Sometimes that's not enough either...

red454

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ May 1, 2006, 11:05 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Sometimes that's not enough either...
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And that is what concerns me. Maybe I am too conservative, but it seems like the risk is too high - the engine is just too fragile beyond a N/A form. It seems to be a great engine in stock (N/A) form.

Back in my day (70's / 80's) there was quite a supply of bolt-on goodies that would give lots of performance gains, and the engines could handle it.

Of course back then, turbos and superchargers were left to the serious racers and engine builders. They were "exotic"; certainly not affordable for the average Joe, and I don't remember them being in a "do it yourself" kit like you see today.

I am not knocking the turbos and superchargers, I would love to have either (or both!) - I just don't want to roll the dice everytime I hammer it. I suppose the moral of the story for me is to invest in a new set of rods and pistons along with the boost...

Stang281

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ May 2, 2006, 1:05 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Sometimes that's not enough either...
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Care to elaborate?

don_w

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stang281 @ May 2, 2006, 1:10 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Care to elaborate?
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If something is going to fail, it will eventually fail regardless of how good the tune is. Poo happens. Some people may not agree, but that's my opinion.

Stang281

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ May 2, 2006, 4:21 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
If something is going to fail, it will eventually fail regardless of how good the tune is. Poo happens. Some people may not agree, but that's my opinion.
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I agree. There are plenty of variables that go into play and it really is gambling once you get past a certain point.

Some people have bad luck too.

BadSTSpony

Back in October, our block blew as well. We recently upgraded the engine, new block, new pistons, forged internals, etc etc. The car will be going back this week for tuning. We had to break in a new clutch and the engine. We still have the twin turbo system and see what we end up with. The engine will handle up to 900 horse, the turbo's 750...we are looking to get around 600 rwhp.

dhof303

It is true, she let go. Not typically though, something tells me it was already damaged prior to the turbo and just waiting to let go. Popped at 50% throttle and about 5-6psi. Started building a new short block today, 05 aluminum block with forged internals n' such. We are looking to handle about 900hp as well and spin up to 700rwhp. New clutch and flywheel going in too now since it will be out. Prolly gonna get a Fidanza aluminum flywheel and a Centerforce DFX clutch. I should have the engine out this Sunday and will dismantle for pics and investigation.
Derek

don_w

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dhof303 @ May 2, 2006, 7:27 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
We are looking to handle about 900hp as well and spin up to 700rwhp.[/b][/quote]

Is that all??? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img]


















[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img] j/k

dhof303

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ May 2, 2006, 10:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Is that all??? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img]
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img] j/k
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Eventually don, eventually. We realize there is still stock crap behind the motor (trans/rearend) so it will be in due time.
Derek

BadSTSpony

Keep us informed as to what you do. It will be interesting to compare our buildup to yours and see what happens.

We figured with 600 to the rears, we should be able to keep the stock rear end and tranny safe...time will tell I guess.

We went with an 04 Romeo iron block, Manley 6cc dish pistons and h beam rods, Moroso oil pan, new high flow oil pump with treated gears and cobra pickup tube, Cobra crank, Spec stage 2+ clutch and aluminum flywheel.

Be interested to know what you find. On our stock block you could see right where a rod came through the block.

Here's a pic of the new engine before being installed.

MSP

Man this is really a tough pill to swallow.. First we see Don_W's awsome video with a clip of the ultimate Mustang.. Now you have presented yours, which is also awsome..

Should we all just stop making video's? I mean, it seems that once awsome video's are made the engine's get damaged shortly after..

Sorry to hear about your loss Derek! The car was awsome man..

don_w

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BadSTSpony @ May 3, 2006, 7:23 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
... new high flow oil pump with treated gears ...[/b][/quote]

How about some more info on this? Are you referring to a new stock Ford 3V pump, or something else?

300HPGT

darn all of you with power adders. I think I will stick to N/A since I drive her 3300 miles a month and driver he hard. I dont have the money either to supercharge or turbocharge. Plus there are to many things I have to change on the car if i do.

Rebel73

darn, very disheartening...

I see forged internals in my future.

BadSTSpony

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ May 3, 2006, 9:42 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
How about some more info on this? Are you referring to a new stock Ford 3V pump, or something else?
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The guy that put the engine together said it was a MMR (Modular Mustang Racing) oil pump.

don_w

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BadSTSpony @ May 3, 2006, 1:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The guy that put the engine together said it was a MMR (Modular Mustang Racing) oil pump.
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I'm not familiar with exactly what MMR is using, but you might want to read this if you haven't already: http://www.modularfords.com/forums/2005-mu...a-3v-47455.html