I got pulled over two weeks ago by a CHP bike for "unlawful window tint". He didn't say anything about no front plate, nor did he look under the hood or under the car.

 

Here in new orleans...a lot of stations could care less if you have Ins. muchless cats or LT's

Hence why I carry Ins incase one of those fools hit me!

 

wow, what would cause them to think you have ilegal headers? Surely you can't tell with out looking? Unless, you don't have any mufflers I can't see why a cop would stop you in the first place, and even if they did (for speeding or what not) I can't see why they would look and see if you have illegal headers of all things? :scratch: lol

 

I don't know. I myself can't imagine a Mustang running around with headers, no cats, tires pertruding from the fenders, lighting changes (illegal in California), and other such modifications.

Prolly just lonesome I guess!

 

I am dyno'ing my car this saturday and post up results.

I have the JBA shortys and Bassani Xpipe. I have personally talked to several guys at JBA...and they have gotten a good 10-15rwhp on a TUND 05 GT. The Long tubes about 20-25. This is their product and have spend a good deal of time, R&D, and money (on two different versions) to produce headers that improve sound, throttle response, AND power.

I don't need to get anything on me checked-

My cars exhaust is deeper, better throttle response, more power, and definitly looks better than the stock manifold. Price for the JBA shorty's- $300. LT's- $700. Fine for having LT's- $2,500. I'll stick with my shortys. I have heard both my car with open headers and LT's. I can't tell the difference in sound.


Richard (rrobello) got his car dyno'd at 299rwhp. He has K&N intake, no mufflers, and JBA shorty's. No tune. Take that as you like it. Unless you guys want to say his car came from the factory with 285rwhp (~15hp for the K&N)...the JBA shorty's do make a difference.

People spend almost 300 on an intake that makes 10-15hp. Why not on headers that do the same AND dramatically improve throttle response AND improve the exhaust note.

so yes...they are worth it. Especially if you live in CA (No $2,500 fine) and are going to install them yourself. LT's are next to impossible to install with out a lift.

 

hm... yes thats a steep fine, I think I might stick to shorties. I got a few months to decide, so I'll just wait until the time comes.

 

Is there a link that shows that?

 

Man thats steep for having LT's. I wouldnt do it if I were there. The place I go to here the guy doesnt check one single thing...10 bucks...and then he removes and replaces the sticker the end. I also dont think the cops would know a LT if it hit them in the rear. I got pulled over one time and had a debate for over an hour with a cop about my headlights. It came stock with HID's...he insisted they were aftermarket and not legal.

 

um...sure. ever heard of google?

http://www.off-road.com/dodge/tech/Emissions_Legal.htm

 

Ok, so that link was of no value. I didn't need a link to an interpretation of a Federal Law (which by the way applies to all 50 states). In fact, under this "tampering" law of the Clean Air Act, even your beloved shortys could technically be subject to a fine for tampering under Federal Law. Did you not read this paragraph from your own link?

"USEPA does not even necessarily accept the conclusions of state boards, such as the California Air Resources Board (CARB), which certifies certain aftermarket parts "emissions legal". While it's safe to assume that nobody would fine someone using CARB approved (50 state legal) parts in an approved application, USEPA still reserves the right to consider this tampering."

Anyway, back to my original point. I was asking you to back up your claim that California specifically has a $2500 fine for long tube headers. I spent an hour or so last night researching the California Health and Safety Code (Division 26, Part 5, Vehicular Air Pollution Control), and I never found a specific reference to a $2500 fine for long tube headers. Most first offenses (for a wide variety of air pollution violations) range from $50 to $250.

So, I ask you again. Can you point to a specific source to validate your claim of a $2500 fine for long tube headers in California? Or are you just making this stuff up? That seems to be a recurring thing with you.

Maybe you can Google and find it...

 

Ok, so that link was of no value. I didn't need a link to an interpretation of a Federal Law (which by the way applies to all 50 states). In fact, under this "tampering" law of the Clean Air Act, even your beloved shortys could technically be subject to a fine for tampering under Federal Law. Did you not read this paragraph from your own link?

if you didn't want a link to an interpretation of a law...what did you want? I don't have records to court decisions. I can read the law though. You run without cats...you can get a $2,500 fine. period. Any car person (which alot of cops are...my dad was one, so I can speak to this) can tell when a car is running with or without cats. Your upping your chances of getting a fine (which CAN BE $2,500)



"USEPA does not even necessarily accept the conclusions of state boards, such as the California Air Resources Board (CARB), which certifies certain aftermarket parts "emissions legal". While it's safe to assume that nobody would fine someone using CARB approved (50 state legal) parts in an approved application, USEPA still reserves the right to consider this tampering."

Right....but I still maintain. if a cop looks under your car/in your engine, smells the exhaust or even hears it...you can get a hefty fine.



Anyway, back to my original point. I was asking you to back up your claim that California specifically has a $2500 fine for long tube headers. I spent an hour or so last night researching the California Health and Safety Code (Division 26, Part 5, Vehicular Air Pollution Control), and I never found a specific reference to a $2500 fine for long tube headers. Most first offenses (for a wide variety of air pollution violations) range from $50 to $250.

When did I ever say that fine was specific to state law or to California? Its a federal law. Thanks to liberals out here, CA is extremely tough on emissions standards.


So, I ask you again. Can you point to a specific source to validate your claim of a $2500 fine for long tube headers in California? Or are you just making this stuff up? That seems to be a recurring thing with you.

I pointed to an article, which quotes federal law. Under that law, doing ANYTHING could be a violation of that severity. BUT....your more likely to get stopped and hassled with running no cats than running shortys. And thus a fine of $2,500 could be imposed. Yes, it could be a 50--250 fine as well (or instead). I wouldn't want to risk that. Excuse me for not being more specific...jeesh.


Yes Don, I am making this all up. what is your problem? A recurring thing? Who do you think you are? If you get such a friggin boner from long tube headers, good for you. Why don't you grow up a little and show some maturity.

Someone asked if shorty's were worth it. I think they are and I gave my reasons. this isn't a place for a debate or arguement, its supposed to be a place to share thoughts/ideas.

 

LOL... you crack me up. You post misinformation and then go ballistic when somebody calls you on it. I'm pretty sure I know the environmental laws better than you (since I've been in that line of business for about 25 years).

And just in case you forgot... you are the one who made the definitive statement, "Fine for having LT's- $2,500". That is misinformation, period. And for what it's worth, I will still have cats on my car. Never said I wasn't.

If you think shortys are worth it, then that's fine with me. I really don't care one way or the other. You have every right to state your opinion... as do we all. But, please don't make "factual" statements that can't be backed up.

 

And learn how to quote

 

Don't care about the debate going on here, all I want to know is where did you find JBA Shorties for $300.00.

 

http://www.rpmoutlet.com/05gtjba.htm

regular price $399. I had a oneline coupon and also the TMS discount.

I don't dare say exactly how much it was, for fear of posting "misinformation"...but after tax and shipping I think it was $340-350.

 

I again ask you, where did I post misinformation? Answer this- Can you not get a fine of $2,500 for running Long Tube headers or no cats? You said so yourself.

So instead of saying "Fine for having LT's- $2,500" I should have said POSSIBLE fine for having LT's- $2,500 and your risking it more by running them compared to shortys.

Jeez man, sorry for not using the right words. I didn't know you were the grammar police.

And if you have been "in the business for 25 years"....wouldn't you be able to say whether or not it was a $2,500 fine and speal with some authority, instead of being a huge ***** and saying "Is there a link that shows that?"

how big of a ***** can you be? I have not posted misinformation or anything that wasn't factual. Just like in any violation...the fine is not (usually) set. Some people loose there licenses for speed contest, some do not. All I said was, there is a potential fine of $2,500 for doing such a blantently visible mod. Not to mention its very easy to tell from smelling ans listening. Anyone who mods there cars realizes this. Doing limo tint is gonna be more obvious than 30% tint.

I take a HUGE offense to being called a liar by you saying this is an ongoing problem with me.

 

I never meant to infer that you a liar, nor do I think you were lying at all. If you were offended, then I apologize. It was never my intention to offend you. When I couldn't find a specific statute about a fine for LTs when I researched the California Health & Safety Code, I thought I might have missed it. So, I asked if you had a link for it. If that makes me a "huge *****" as you say, then so be it. In any case, I'm going to let this debate drop right here. Take care.

 

OK, so I guess my question is, how do you automatically equate having LT headers with not having cats? There are several LT options that in fact do have cats.

And, to back up Don, you did say specifically that Ca has a $2500 fine in place for have LT headers. When he asked for a link, you provided a generic intepretation from an aftermarket vendor and a sarcastic comment and hopped up on your high horse. So, to quote you, who do you think you are? Personally, I don't see that Don said anything out of line. You made a specific claim, he asked you to provide information on that claim, and you didn't. So he questioned it again and you got prickified.

 

appology accepted, and I appologize for calling you a *****.

 

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ok, I am not sure why you want to jump in and stir the pot here....
but do you feel better now?