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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 02:35 PM
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sc intercooler confusion

Ok kinda new to superchargers (excpet what came stock on my cobra)..

the new ford sc coming out looks like it will have an intercooled and a non intercooled version for these cars. Ive always assumed intercooled is better.. but Ive really never known exactly why.
Also, I remember hearing that it takes more psi for a non intercooled sc to make the same power as an intercooled one.. so if (big if) thats true, does this mean that the upcoming new 5psi ford sc will make less power in its non-intercooled form?

Someone set me straight on this, the whole point is trying to figure out which one to save my pennies for down the road, and if its clearly worth getting the more expensive one - thats assuming that the intercooled is more expensive.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 02:56 PM
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Ok you need to find out what an intercooler does first to see what kind of HP you can get added to your SC...an intercooler cools the air more before it reaches the supercharger makeing more boost on normal psi such 8psi I/C = to 10-11psi N/A
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by da75
Ok kinda new to superchargers (excpet what came stock on my cobra)..

the new ford sc coming out looks like it will have an intercooled and a non intercooled version for these cars. Ive always assumed intercooled is better.. but Ive really never known exactly why.
Also, I remember hearing that it takes more psi for a non intercooled sc to make the same power as an intercooled one.. so if (big if) thats true, does this mean that the upcoming new 5psi ford sc will make less power in its non-intercooled form?

Someone set me straight on this, the whole point is trying to figure out which one to save my pennies for down the road, and if its clearly worth getting the more expensive one - thats assuming that the intercooled is more expensive.
The intercooler helps cool the intake charge and therefore increase the airs density. Denser air= more oxygen= more horsepower.

Use this site to get as informed as you have time/desire to:

http://www.turbomustangs.com/turbofaq.php

Turbos and S/C act similarly but for intercooling questions they are virtually identical.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 03:30 PM
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ok thanks. maybe I should rephrase why im asking this.

So theres a "safe" h.p limit with these motors, and roush or ford doesnt want to exceed that with their low psi superchargers so they can still offer a warranty on the drivetrain.

Looking at http://www.fordracingparts.com/super...erchargers.asp if the new new non-intercooled SC (M-6066-M463V) makes say X psi for about 120hp, and their new intercooled one (M-6066-M463V11) makes a little less psi for the same warranty-safe 120 hp, is there a specific reason Id want to get the intercooled one over the other. Same h.p being offered right?
Im asking basically would you want to go for the intercooled one no matter what? basically im wondering if theres some problem with getting the cheaper of the two if they will calibrated the psi to produce the same end horsepower/torque anyway.

sorry for the confusing question. hopefully its clearer now.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by da75
ok thanks. maybe I should rephrase why im asking this.

So theres a "safe" h.p limit with these motors, and roush or ford doesnt want to exceed that with their low psi superchargers so they can still offer a warranty on the drivetrain.

Looking at http://www.fordracingparts.com/super...erchargers.asp if the new new non-intercooled SC (M-6066-M463V) makes say X psi for about 120hp, and their new intercooled one (M-6066-M463V11) makes a little less psi for the same warranty-safe 120 hp, is there a specific reason Id want to get the intercooled one over the other. Same h.p being offered right?
Im asking basically would you want to go for the intercooled one no matter what? basically im wondering if theres some problem with getting the cheaper of the two if they will calibrated the psi to produce the same end horsepower/torque anyway.

sorry for the confusing question. hopefully its clearer now.
I am not a S/C guru, but in my opinion, intercooled is ALWAYS better if not necessarily required. I'd buy the IC version simply for the fact that this engine tends to run hot anyway and the more cooling the better. Plus, if you ever decide to up the boost, at some point it becomes essential to have an intercooler.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 04:33 PM
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Intercooling does not make horsepower, it makes the incoming air charge denser allowing the "tune" to run more boost and fuel thus more power.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RedDragon777
Ok you need to find out what an intercooler does first to see what kind of HP you can get added to your SC...an intercooler cools the air more before it reaches the supercharger makeing more boost on normal psi such 8psi I/C = to 10-11psi N/A
Not to be a smart arze or anything. But an intercooler cools the air charge after it has gone thru a SC'er or Turbo not before. Both raise the air temp due to the compression of the air.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 70MACH1OWNER
Not to be a smart arze or anything. But an intercooler cools the air charge after it has gone thru a SC'er or Turbo not before. Both raise the air temp due to the compression of the air.
Scott
+1 here
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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One more thing to add... heat not only hurts performance, but it also can lead to detonation. Losing a few HP due to heat is not nearly as devastating as detonation causing a rod to snap. My vote says go with the I/C always.
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by don_w
One more thing to add... heat not only hurts performance, but it also can lead to detonation. Losing a few HP due to heat is not nearly as devastating as detonation causing a rod to snap. My vote says go with the I/C always.

OH Yeah!! Detonation is absoutely the last thing you want to happen. Even for just a few seconds. The 96 Cobra I blew up with the 9 lb. Kennebell on it had 5 shattered pistons when I tore it down. It is like hitting the pistons with a sledgehammer when it is happening. Avoid it at all costs.
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Old Jul 1, 2006 | 09:47 AM
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450 rwhp is considered by most people to be the upper limit of safe for the 05-06 stang
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Old Jul 1, 2006 | 11:43 AM
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Often, an intercooled, forced induction set-up is more consistent...especially during the warmer months. Non-intercooled setups will have performance decrease as the engine management will try to reduce the ignition advance to prevent detonation as air intake temps rise. Intercooling helps to reduce this as air intake temps will stay in a more favorable range.

I hope this helps.

Tony D
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