Went to the tuner shop today to order my exhaust and he said he had to show me something. Pulled out a fully programmable piggy back system. He said he wanted to set me up with this instead of the SCT. Not sure what to do. Not sure I really need it, I'm not really doing "major" engine mods as of yet.

Heres the link for the setup.

 

why would you want a piggyback chip over a tuner?
I thought we were done with those bandaids 2 years ago? or is this something completely new and different?

 

We already have tuners that can do almost anything we want. I dont see any new benefits from a piggy-back unit when the ECU has already been unlocked.

-Dan

 

The guy I am dealing with doesn't have the software to create his own tunes with the SCT, he just gave me the option today and letting me know it is available soon.

 

For $425 too. I don't quite see the sellable advantages. The only reason I would piggyback is for a 2 step function and a system that would enable that feature would cost $4K. As I've been told, a piggyback system helps with driveability. I've never used one, so I can only go on other's info. For the same functions as a Diablo or SCT unit, why spend more on a no-name piggyback?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DaTT(1sK) @ February 9, 2006, 2:46 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The guy I am dealing with doesn't have the software to create his own tunes with the SCT, he just gave me the option today and letting me know it is available soon.
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You don't need that (or him). Contact one of the tuning wizard vendors here at TMS (Doug, Brent, Lidio), and save some money and get a great tune.

 

I agree with contacting one the the big 3. Once you have a great tune why do you need to tweek it any more?? Beside, speaking for myself. I am not qualified to tweek the tune in these engines. I'd just mess something up!!
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I wouldn't go with Unichip. They are a relatively large company, but their systems aren't any more advanced than the programmers.

If you are going to do a piggyback, look at the GReddy eManage ultimate; contact John@SafeGuard if you are really interested. He can most likely tell you what you need to get the EU to work on the '05+ Mustang.

My boss has a video of him using the 2-step on the EU on a 622whp 350Z if anyone wants to see it.

 

There are parameters in the new PCM's that even SCT doesn't allow it's dealers access to until they come to a advanced training class. Giving a end user controll over their PCM can only spell disaster. SCT has a way of doing this called the Pro Racer Pack that still doesn't allow access to things like throttle tables and such but gives you controll over the main tuning needs, spark timing, fuel tables, two-step features and so on. It's only $300 plus the price of an X-2 and you still keep the feature of reprogramming your PCM instead of connecting something to it.


I have a test email that I send out even before I do sell a PRP though to ensure a customer has the knowledge of what some of the basic functions of the engine are and what some of the sensors are even called. If you can't answer my questions then I wont sell you a PRP. Why do I do this? Because the PRP gives the end user enough adjustability to toast their engine.

THanks, Doug.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Doug904 @ February 9, 2006, 8:40 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Because the PRP gives the end user enough adjustability to toast their engine.
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For the record, Doug never offered to sell me the PRP. He knew I was an idiot. LOL

 

That thing reminds me of the old CALMAP from back in the 80's

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DaTT(1sK) @ February 9, 2006, 4:20 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Went to the tuner shop today to order my exhaust and he said he had to show me something. Pulled out a fully programmable piggy back system. He said he wanted to set me up with this instead of the SCT. Not sure what to do. Not sure I really need it, I'm not really doing "major" engine mods as of yet.

Heres the link for the setup.
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Where have you been for the last year? Surely not reading the postings here.
There are numerous tuners out there that do not know their butts from a hole in the ground about the current Mustang and are dispensing pure BS to the uneducated owners. I had a predator dealer screw mine up right after the 05s came out. At that time no one here had a clue as how to tune an 05 or what to use. We are better educated today thanks to these forums.

The answer is
If you have a manual you can use the Predator or the SCT -2
If your car is an automatic the SCT is what we have because it controls the transmission shifting and torque management. MY Predator did not.

There are three big tuners listed here in these forums that can provide you with a great adjustable tune.

DO A SEARCH in these forums.

Read the forums first and make the correct educated decision. I do not think the tuner you talked with is the answer and last but not least do not allow your wife or GF to make the decision for you unless they are paying for the car and are co owners.
Purchase your parts from one of the forum sponsor if they have them. Price is often less and it helps pay the bills.

 

Piggybacks are for old timers. In this Millenium we reflash the computer.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mongoose @ February 10, 2006, 10:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The answer is
If you have a manual you can use the Predator or the SCT -2
If your car is an automatic the SCT is what we have because it controls the transmission shifting and torque management. MY Predator did not.
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Umm, from what I have seen, Diablo Sport offers their tuners software to control those transmission characteristics.

-Dan

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cleveland @ February 10, 2006, 10:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Umm, from what I have seen, Diablo Sport offers their tuners software to control those transmission characteristics.

-Dan
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The guy who tuned my car is an expert with the Diablo Predator. He has just recently began to use the SCT X2. In fact, my car is the first auto tranny he had done with the X2. With some guidance from Doug (thanks, Doug!), he was able to put down a good baseline tune, and then with a little more time to was able to firm it up nicely. His comments to me the night we tuned the car was that the SCT has far more capability and parameters than Diablo does for the auto trans. If this had been a long-time SCT tuner saying it, I would have taken it with a grain of salt. But, this was from a guy who until a month ago was an exclusive Diablo tuner. That speaks volumes to me... he's got no reason to say it if he didn't mean it.

 

The SCT is what I am going with.