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Old 12/8/05 | 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by Black3V+December 8, 2005, 7:55 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black3V @ December 8, 2005, 7:55 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Lemme know when this is going to go back in and ill be there. So what happened to no overbore?
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I'll let you know. The factory cylinder isn't perfectly round, so Al bores .020 to make it right.

Originally posted by Vegasjay@December 8, 2005, 7:59 PM
Did you buy the block thru FRPP and then take it to Al? What did the block by itself run?? I've been looking at the 5.4 L Iron block, it's just so heavy...
No, thru Al. $250 vs. $1200. only 80lbs heavier. I'm not splitting hairs. I've actually added almost all the weight back that i've removed so far.


Originally posted by HTownStang@December 8, 2005, 8:33 PM
What sleeve are you have on your block?
why are you not using the stock block?
Did you ask them how many HP can the stock block hold?
don't know-i'll find out. The iron cost $950 less, it'll hold more hp. Al recommended it over the OEM block. The shortblock will be built to handle 1000hp.

Originally posted by Blazing Saddles@December 8, 2005, 8:35 PM
With the turbo it looks like you're going to have the quickest 3V Mustang. Sutton Take Notice.
I don't know about that. I'm not ready for a full cage and everything else that goes with tapping into 9.99's or 135mph range.

Originally posted by 88blownstang@December 8, 2005, 8:43 PM
I'm curious, why did you go with iron over aluminum like the nitrous block? That forged crank looks stout. You said you could rev to 9K if needed, what type of rods? How much boost are you going to run? Sorry for all the questions. I am new to the mod motors and trying to learn as much as I can before spending $$$. Thanks! Bob
explained above. Cobra Forged crank. Manley 4340 steel H Beam rods w/upgraded ARP2000 7/16" bolts

Originally posted by jp's performance@December 8, 2005, 8:45 PM
mine won't be done till next summer (unless i win the lottery) would be happy to go 10.80's on radial's and drive home. :worship:
I sure hope I hit 10.8's. I'm going to try the 26" radials at first, but most likely run out of gear (4.10's). Then I'll go to the 28's. I really want to stay on DR's due to just that, driving on them to the track. The only 28's in DR's are 11.5" wide. Too wide! I've only looked at MT though. I'm sure someone else has other options. Worse case scenario, wear out the 28's, change gears and go back to 26".

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What type of turbo setup are you going with? Custom, powerhouse, hellion? I know there are more but those were the first three to come to mind.
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Still pondering. Waiting on some info.

When I'm all done, I'll be posting the dyno numbers WITH 1/4 mile times. I've pretty much learned that a dyno graph doesn't mean squat. For me, it's a tool for tuning. If you can't get it down the track, what's the point of having any HP.
Old 12/8/05 | 09:39 PM
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David, Hoosier and M&H both make a 275/60-15 drag radial (28.0" dia).

http://www.mhtires.com/dragradial.php

https://www.hoosiertire.com/specdrag.htm#DOTDragRadial
Old 12/8/05 | 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by Blazing Saddles@December 8, 2005, 10:36 PM
I think you're underestimating the potential for your setup. A shortblock optimized for high boost P&P heads, and a turbo you should easily run into the 9's. If you don't want to run a full cage yet just de-tune it to run 10.0 - 10.1's.
I don't want to set my self up for disappointment. It'll be detuned for sure until I'm ready!
Old 12/8/05 | 09:56 PM
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I have no doubt that low 10s are going to be the norm for you next year. :worship: :worship: :worship:
Old 12/8/05 | 09:58 PM
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Oh yea... I'm pretty sure all of this work will "void your warranty"... bwahahaha!!!!


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Old 12/8/05 | 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by don_w@December 8, 2005, 10:42 PM
David, Hoosier and M&H both make a 275/60-15 drag radial (28.0" dia).

http://www.mhtires.com/dragradial.php

https://www.hoosiertire.com/specdrag.htm#DOTDragRadial
As far as I can tell, the 275/60/15's are 28" x 11.5-11.8/15. I'm needing 10.5" overall width. I had to get an adjustable panhard bar when i went to the 10.5's. The inner wall was rubbing at launch on the right side.
Old 12/8/05 | 10:22 PM
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so can we work out a little trade when this is done- your car for some discount flooring-
Old 12/8/05 | 10:23 PM
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Is the offset/backspacing on the Bogarts different? I run 275/50-17 street tires (on a +45mm offset) with tons of clearance.
Old 12/8/05 | 10:36 PM
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yes the warranty is gone and yes the Bogarts sit different. I don't know the specs on the wheels though. George may know.
Old 12/9/05 | 07:06 AM
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Ahh, some positive experience including engine shots! I was starting to get discouraged looking at all of the broken engine shots. David, you have a pretty slick setup going in there. I guess due to my financial constraints I will be looking at joining the broken engine carnage pics shortly because I don't know how long I will be able to keep it at 6psi. Lookin good.
Old 12/9/05 | 07:47 AM
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9,000 RPM, eh. I am going to have to get Al to build me a short block in a couple of years when I get another car for a daily driver and build my '05 into a SCCA Touring 2 Car.

Your going to stay 3V right David? Do you/Al think that those heads w/ w/o porting will flow enough for that kind of RPM w/o the Turbos?

BTW those are some serious looking valve springs.

Are you going to be putting some Cams on there (BBR? , Crane, Comp )
Old 12/9/05 | 07:55 AM
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What kind of tranny you going with?
Old 12/9/05 | 08:04 AM
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I am pretty sure you will never see BBR cams in David's car or mine for that matter. Even if they did come out with cams that made more horsepower than anyone else I would wait for them to be proven over time then I would even wait longer to have another company copy their specs before I would give any money to them after the BS they are pulling with their claims.
Old 12/9/05 | 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by dhof303@December 9, 2005, 9:07 AM
I am pretty sure you will never see BBR cams in David's car or mine for that matter. Even if they did come out with cams that made more horsepower than anyone else I would wait for them to be proven over time then I would even wait longer to have another company copy their specs before I would give any money to them after the BS they are pulling with their claims.

Same here that's why the was there.
Old 12/9/05 | 09:18 AM
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Ahhh, it's all coming to me now, I have seen you on that thread. Just glad to hear there are others that are not fooled with their advertising.
Old 12/9/05 | 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by dhof303@December 9, 2005, 10:21 AM
Ahhh, it's all coming to me now, I have seen you on that thread. Just glad to hear there are others that are not fooled with their advertising.
Yeah I'm sick of all those threads. The thing that really pissed me off is when people kept reply with statements like subscribed, and stuff like that.

I eventually replied I'm unsubscribing and the thread got locked after that, lol.
Old 12/9/05 | 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by softbatch+December 9, 2005, 8:50 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(softbatch @ December 9, 2005, 8:50 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>9,000 RPM, eh. I am going to have to get Al to build me a short block in a couple of years when I get another car for a daily driver and build my '05 into a SCCA Touring 2 Car.

Your going to stay 3V right David? Do you/Al think that those heads w/ w/o porting will flow enough for that kind of RPM w/o the Turbos?

BTW those are some serious looking valve springs.
Al used to run SCCA and has a few motors on the works for some SCCA guys. Definately 3V. I was tempted to go 4V, but I love my 3V. I'll never (intentionally) spin it past 7K. I won't need too. The heads will flow, but I don't have any numbers to say how they will or won't flow. Al is thinking I'll p/u maybe 25rwhp, but expects 10-15. It only dropping the compression by a tenth or two. I really don't care about what the car will p/u with the new shortblock b/c I'll be shoving a bunch of power in it anyways.

Are you going to be putting some Cams on there (BBR? , Crane, Comp )
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Never anything with BBR for one. If I did, I'd get Al to get some custom turbo cams made thru either comp, crane, or crower. I really haven't seen a benefit of going to another cam, being that I'll be making quite a bit of power with the stockers. I'm trying to keep everthing "stock" as possible. The cams would create a tuning nightmare. BBR's car was at SCT for some extended period of time (I'm talking days or weeks, from what I've heard).

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I've talked with quite a few people and have decided on a TKO 600. It'll hold the power! They don't like to shift above 7K rpm's anyways. It'll have a McCloud alum. flywheel/twin clutch setup, McCloud external throwout adj., Lakewood SFI bellhousing, and a custom tranny mounted shifter.
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Originally posted by 169stang@December 9, 2005, 1:57 PM
I'm trying to keep everthing "stock" as possible.
Sorry... you failed miserably!! LOL
Old 12/9/05 | 04:16 PM
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LOL. What I mean is if I can keep something on the car I will. I am just trying to avoid a tuning nightmare! If it needs to be replaced for durability then so be it.


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