i brought this up a few months but i have been reading that the mach1 can do around 13.1 in 1/4? were these cars underrated in hp/tq? rated at 305hp ?? what gives? 05 gt not even close! anyone race a stock model?

 

The 05 GT isnt close to that "13.1".... yeah right

Some drivers are able to get that close with a lot of practice.

-Dan

 

I was at a 1/4 mi track 3 weeks ago with a guy who had a stock '04 Mach 1. I had the CAI/Pred at the time, but still stock 3.31 rear gears. I ran 13.90s with my automatic, he ran 13.70s with his manual. There was a strong head wind that day, so his car (and mine) may be able to run quicker. But, he had 2-tenths on me. Was that because it has more hp, or was it a difference in the transmissions? Or did aerodynamics play a role. Can't say for sure.

 

Isn't the Mach 1 lighter than the '05 GT?

 

I recall a 20lb difference. Nothing that will make a big difference.

 

Yes rated at 305hp,but i have run a mach1 auto and got the win in the 1/4. As for the 13.1,they are not stock,we have about 4 or 5 in the stang club and they do not get that time if they are stock.

 

Very much a drivers race!

 

The manual Mach 1 was a different animal than an automatic. The auto had a lower power rating and a redline (6000 vs 6800 rpm). The dyno numbers are very close so it should be a driver's race with a manual trans and a pretty easy race for an automatic 05 GT with the new 5 speed trans. All even, I think the manual Mach 1 would barely edge the 05 GT because of the higher redline.

 

Maybe, but I have not seen it. This is close enough to where I would like to see a "good" driver of each make a few runs.

I bought the new '05 "bodystyle" & "upgrades", but I have a lot of respect for the Mach's, if the driver knows what they are doing. Same with the SS, put down two of each so far, but had the biggest problem to-date with an old IROC. The Iroc was modded.....I know it had gears and exhaust....don't know anything else, but what I witnessed.
As far as the Mach's, I'd rather have that engine :worship, if it were lighter.
As far as the Camaro SS, they can have a field day with their mods. :worship: If they have the money which most don't!
Paul

 

The Mach I is probably a stronger car, but also has a less sophisticated suspension, which makes it harder to get the power down. Definitely a driver's race, stock to stock.

 

All things equal the Mach is .3 - .4 and 3 - 4 mph quicker in the 1/4...

 

What are you smokin?

 

I believe he's pretty much correct. Remember once the Machs reach 80+ Mph the Shaker is fully functional. Now granted it only adds maybe 5 hp if you're lucky but it can make a difference. The Mach 1's also use the 4 valve set up opposed to the 3 valve setup and has a more efficient power band than the 05's. A common misconception is that the Mach 1 engines were just 4-valve Cobra engines with the shaker intake. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Mach engine was a totally redesigned 4-valve with a much better midrang power than the Cobra's had.


This is per Scothew on a topic of a stock Mach breaking into the 12's:

Here's the topic thread Mach 1 into 12's

 

I have driven both on the same day at the same track. Neither was my car and I had no seat time up until I made my first pass. I ran a 13.2@105 in a stock 04 Mach 1 5 speed and 13.5@102 in a stock 05 GT

 

having had both,I can agree with that.I think if the '05 had a SCT or pred tune things would be more even.The electronic throttle and torque management hinder the '05 GT.

 

One other point, I think the Mach 1 has 26" tires versus 27" on the 05. That's about a 4 percent advantage for the Mach 1.

 

all i know is i killed a mach1 last friday by a car and a half or more

it def had exhaust, but i doubt anything else...and i have a few tricks up mah sleeve

 

Sounds like a few of those tricks is 4.10s and a good tune.

 

Yea I would agree with that. With a tune in the car I think they would be even. as it is now its a drivers race. I have personally seen a stock Mach 1 with a shifter run a 12.9@105 and I don't think a stock GT has gone much faster than 13.2-13.3

 

Find a Mach 1 with 4:10s and try again