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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blazing Saddles @ February 16, 2006, 4:11 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I used one 15 amp fuse. If you use 2 fuses and one blows during a burnout what will happen? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]
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I used one 15 amp fuse. If you use 2 fuses and one blows during a burnout what will happen? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]
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Guys, I would prefer to have my solenoids in the engine compartment in an area away from all the road slosh/debriss. Have you considered this? I have had LL's on a lot of my cars in the past and they could be anywhere. I have not even looked around to consider its placement but I am not cool with the things where you've got them.....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GIG4FUN @ February 16, 2006, 7:30 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Guys, I would prefer to have my solenoids in the engine compartment in an area away from all the road slosh/debriss. Have you considered this? I have had LL's on a lot of my cars in the past and they could be anywhere. I have not even looked around to consider its placement but I am not cool with the things where you've got them.....
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The seals on the solenoids get destroyed by engine heat. They are in the wheel well purposely to stay cool.
At least that's what I've read.
Guys, I would prefer to have my solenoids in the engine compartment in an area away from all the road slosh/debriss. Have you considered this? I have had LL's on a lot of my cars in the past and they could be anywhere. I have not even looked around to consider its placement but I am not cool with the things where you've got them.....
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The seals on the solenoids get destroyed by engine heat. They are in the wheel well purposely to stay cool.
At least that's what I've read.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GIG4FUN @ February 16, 2006, 4:30 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Guys, I would prefer to have my solenoids in the engine compartment in an area away from all the road slosh/debriss. Have you considered this? I have had LL's on a lot of my cars in the past and they could be anywhere. I have not even looked around to consider its placement but I am not cool with the things where you've got them.....
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something about having to be after the ABS control unit? I'm not sure
Guys, I would prefer to have my solenoids in the engine compartment in an area away from all the road slosh/debriss. Have you considered this? I have had LL's on a lot of my cars in the past and they could be anywhere. I have not even looked around to consider its placement but I am not cool with the things where you've got them.....
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something about having to be after the ABS control unit? I'm not sure
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Well !! I tell you what guys..When I do mine, I will find a nice cool out of the way spot under the hood then haha! ( I wonder where that is..). As far as ABS it only needs to be on the same line after the ABS distribution.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GIG4FUN @ February 17, 2006, 1:35 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Well !! I tell you what guys..When I do mine, I will find a nice cool out of the way spot under the hood then haha! ( I wonder where that is..). As far as ABS it only needs to be on the same line after the ABS distribution.
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right on. is that anywhere in your near future? I kinda don't like the wheel well mount either.
Well !! I tell you what guys..When I do mine, I will find a nice cool out of the way spot under the hood then haha! ( I wonder where that is..). As far as ABS it only needs to be on the same line after the ABS distribution.
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right on. is that anywhere in your near future? I kinda don't like the wheel well mount either.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nonsensez9 @ February 17, 2006, 4:13 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
right on. is that anywhere in your near future? I kinda don't like the wheel well mount either.
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It wasn't planned until a bit warmer weather (closer to track time here in Iowa) but, I could move it up if I found a deal on solenoids. I used to use the Hurst "Roll Control" on the Pro Street cars I built and I think I have one at the shop still carded up in the retail package. It woulld be nice if they still sell it, then I would only have to buy one. I think it is from the mid eighties...... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dancedood.gif[/img]
right on. is that anywhere in your near future? I kinda don't like the wheel well mount either.
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It wasn't planned until a bit warmer weather (closer to track time here in Iowa) but, I could move it up if I found a deal on solenoids. I used to use the Hurst "Roll Control" on the Pro Street cars I built and I think I have one at the shop still carded up in the retail package. It woulld be nice if they still sell it, then I would only have to buy one. I think it is from the mid eighties...... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dancedood.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GIG4FUN @ February 18, 2006, 9:59 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
It wasn't planned until a bit warmer weather (closer to track time here in Iowa) but, I could move it up if I found a deal on solenoids. I used to use the Hurst "Roll Control" on the Pro Street cars I built and I think I have one at the shop still carded up in the retail package. It woulld be nice if they still sell it, then I would only have to buy one. I think it is from the mid eighties...... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dancedood.gif[/img]
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yeah, they still make a package.
http://go.mrgasket.com/ProductsListByMinID...&minselection=1
surf your favorite on-line parts store for pricing. Here's an interesting tech note on the hurst web site http://go.mrgasket.com/AskTechResult...ndID=2&ID=1363
Question: Brand: Hurst
With ABS break system,should I install the line-lock valve between the master cylinder and the ABS unit or does it take a valve for each front wheel installed between the ABS unit and the calipers?
Vehicle/Engine Specs:
Make: Chevy Model: S-10 Year: 1997
Engine Type: 4.3 liter V-6 Transmission: Auto
Modifications: stock
Discussion Topics: rollcontrols
Solution:
Sir, you will want to install the roll control between the master cylinder and the ABS unit.
It wasn't planned until a bit warmer weather (closer to track time here in Iowa) but, I could move it up if I found a deal on solenoids. I used to use the Hurst "Roll Control" on the Pro Street cars I built and I think I have one at the shop still carded up in the retail package. It woulld be nice if they still sell it, then I would only have to buy one. I think it is from the mid eighties...... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dancedood.gif[/img]
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yeah, they still make a package.
http://go.mrgasket.com/ProductsListByMinID...&minselection=1
surf your favorite on-line parts store for pricing. Here's an interesting tech note on the hurst web site http://go.mrgasket.com/AskTechResult...ndID=2&ID=1363
Question: Brand: Hurst
With ABS break system,should I install the line-lock valve between the master cylinder and the ABS unit or does it take a valve for each front wheel installed between the ABS unit and the calipers?
Vehicle/Engine Specs:
Make: Chevy Model: S-10 Year: 1997
Engine Type: 4.3 liter V-6 Transmission: Auto
Modifications: stock
Discussion Topics: rollcontrols
Solution:
Sir, you will want to install the roll control between the master cylinder and the ABS unit.
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You're crazy putting it between the master cylinder and the ABS unit. The factory line has 1/4" ports and every line lock out there has 1/8" ports. You would be bottlenecking it. You need them after the ABS controller, one for each wheel.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dustindu4 @ February 18, 2006, 7:48 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
You're crazy putting it between the master cylinder and the ABS unit. The factory line has 1/4" ports and every line lock out there has 1/8" ports. You would be bottlenecking it. You need them after the ABS controller, one for each wheel.
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Check this out for additional info:
http://robrobinette.com/brake_valve.htm
This guy recommends it. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img]
You're crazy putting it between the master cylinder and the ABS unit. The factory line has 1/4" ports and every line lock out there has 1/8" ports. You would be bottlenecking it. You need them after the ABS controller, one for each wheel.
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Check this out for additional info:
http://robrobinette.com/brake_valve.htm
This guy recommends it. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dustindu4 @ February 18, 2006, 7:48 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
You're crazy putting it between the master cylinder and the ABS unit. The factory line has 1/4" ports and every line lock out there has 1/8" ports. You would be bottlenecking it. You need them after the ABS controller, one for each wheel.
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okay guys just did mine today. took more time to find the right fitting than to actually hook them up. here's the fitting #'s i used: 4) 1443 weatherhead/gates adapters 10-1mm(10mm diam. 1mm pitch thread) male to female standard 3/16 line(i think 3/8-24 thread).
2) 7934A weatherhead/gates 10-1mm female to 10-1mm female union.
4)3/16" female i.f. to 1/8" npt (for the solenoids)
4) 10" long 3/16" lines
it took all of 30 minutes for each side.
i do not have the switch hooked up yet so i haven't tested them but i feel this is the easiest location to mount them. i tried to mount under the hood after the abs box but there just wasn't a good place to mount them without running braided flex hose. that could get $$$ just for line locs.
any ideas on switches yet? i found a really small momentary switch at radio shack but don't know where to mount it. maybe the console or in the plastic shifter cover. i'll figure it out tomorrow.
You're crazy putting it between the master cylinder and the ABS unit. The factory line has 1/4" ports and every line lock out there has 1/8" ports. You would be bottlenecking it. You need them after the ABS controller, one for each wheel.
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okay guys just did mine today. took more time to find the right fitting than to actually hook them up. here's the fitting #'s i used: 4) 1443 weatherhead/gates adapters 10-1mm(10mm diam. 1mm pitch thread) male to female standard 3/16 line(i think 3/8-24 thread).
2) 7934A weatherhead/gates 10-1mm female to 10-1mm female union.
4)3/16" female i.f. to 1/8" npt (for the solenoids)
4) 10" long 3/16" lines
it took all of 30 minutes for each side.
i do not have the switch hooked up yet so i haven't tested them but i feel this is the easiest location to mount them. i tried to mount under the hood after the abs box but there just wasn't a good place to mount them without running braided flex hose. that could get $$$ just for line locs.
any ideas on switches yet? i found a really small momentary switch at radio shack but don't know where to mount it. maybe the console or in the plastic shifter cover. i'll figure it out tomorrow.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blazing Saddles @ February 18, 2006, 9:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I used a 30 amp relay ($2.00 at Radio Shack) so I could use practically any momentary switch available and not worry about the amp rating.
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so your switch just grounds the curcuit huh? good idea.
I used a 30 amp relay ($2.00 at Radio Shack) so I could use practically any momentary switch available and not worry about the amp rating.
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so your switch just grounds the curcuit huh? good idea.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nonsensez9 @ February 18, 2006, 1:59 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
yeah, they still make a package.
http://go.mrgasket.com/ProductsListByMinID...&minselection=1
surf your favorite on-line parts store for pricing. Here's an interesting tech note on the hurst web site http://go.mrgasket.com/AskTechResult...ndID=2&ID=1363
Question: Brand: Hurst
With ABS break system,should I install the line-lock valve between the master cylinder and the ABS unit or does it take a valve for each front wheel installed between the ABS unit and the calipers?
Vehicle/Engine Specs:
Make: Chevy Model: S-10 Year: 1997
Engine Type: 4.3 liter V-6 Transmission: Auto
Modifications: stock
Discussion Topics: rollcontrols
Solution:
Sir, you will want to install the roll control between the master cylinder and the ABS unit.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(karman @ February 18, 2006, 8:09 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Check this out for additional info:
http://robrobinette.com/brake_valve.htm
This guy recommends it. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img]
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I'm quite sure the engineered designs on a Chevy S-10 and a Mazda RX-7 are different than our S197 Mustangs. I used a system that's known to work.
yeah, they still make a package.
http://go.mrgasket.com/ProductsListByMinID...&minselection=1
surf your favorite on-line parts store for pricing. Here's an interesting tech note on the hurst web site http://go.mrgasket.com/AskTechResult...ndID=2&ID=1363
Question: Brand: Hurst
With ABS break system,should I install the line-lock valve between the master cylinder and the ABS unit or does it take a valve for each front wheel installed between the ABS unit and the calipers?
Vehicle/Engine Specs:
Make: Chevy Model: S-10 Year: 1997
Engine Type: 4.3 liter V-6 Transmission: Auto
Modifications: stock
Discussion Topics: rollcontrols
Solution:
Sir, you will want to install the roll control between the master cylinder and the ABS unit.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(karman @ February 18, 2006, 8:09 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Check this out for additional info:
http://robrobinette.com/brake_valve.htm
This guy recommends it. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img]
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I'm quite sure the engineered designs on a Chevy S-10 and a Mazda RX-7 are different than our S197 Mustangs. I used a system that's known to work.
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Well then, it's a bit late for some of you guys because I bet nobody is going take them off and put them where the manufacturer suggests now... but, it is good that there's at least the information here now to see where they do belong. I will put ONE under the hood somewhere on the front line before the ABS unit.
Thanks Guys for your research! NOW we have heard it from the horses mouth the correct way to install these things.
I was putting these on cars before the ABS was even thought of! I used the brake proportioning valve on all the pro street cars too because they had HUGE tires in the rear and you know, tiny front ones. I put it so it was reached by the driver (up through the floor just ahead of the seat). I used the same one shown in the picture as well! I even installed a few Willwood kits that I had to put 2lb. residual valves in the lines on some of the cars (per manufacture guidelines then too). I ALWAYS follow the manufacturers guidelines when it comes to something like this. As far as the bottleneck thought, well I guess it is just a logical "word" to use when thinking about this install. When doing it, it doesn't matter.
Oh believe me, it will work this way. The servo's in the ABS unit will move whatever volume they need to by the feedback from the tone ring in the wheel. The fluid behind them (line/line lock/master cylinder) supplies the ABS unit just fine.
I SUBMITTED a tech question SPECIFIC to our cars on the Hurst site. I will report their answer as soon as I get it!
Thanks Guys for your research! NOW we have heard it from the horses mouth the correct way to install these things.
I was putting these on cars before the ABS was even thought of! I used the brake proportioning valve on all the pro street cars too because they had HUGE tires in the rear and you know, tiny front ones. I put it so it was reached by the driver (up through the floor just ahead of the seat). I used the same one shown in the picture as well! I even installed a few Willwood kits that I had to put 2lb. residual valves in the lines on some of the cars (per manufacture guidelines then too). I ALWAYS follow the manufacturers guidelines when it comes to something like this. As far as the bottleneck thought, well I guess it is just a logical "word" to use when thinking about this install. When doing it, it doesn't matter.
Oh believe me, it will work this way. The servo's in the ABS unit will move whatever volume they need to by the feedback from the tone ring in the wheel. The fluid behind them (line/line lock/master cylinder) supplies the ABS unit just fine.
I SUBMITTED a tech question SPECIFIC to our cars on the Hurst site. I will report their answer as soon as I get it!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GIG4FUN @ February 18, 2006, 10:07 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Well then, it's a bit late for some of you guys because I bet nobody is going take them off and put them where the manufacturer suggests now... but, it is good that there's at least the information here now to see where they do belong. I will put ONE under the hood somewhere on the front line before the ABS unit.
Thanks Guys for your research! NOW we have heard it from the horses mouth the correct way to install these things.
I was putting these on cars before the ABS was even thought of! I used the brake proportioning valve on all the pro street cars too because they had HUGE tires in the rear and you know, tiny front ones. I put it so it was reached by the driver (up throught the floor just ahead of the seat). I used the same one shown in the picture as well! I even installed a few Willwood kits that I had to put 2lb. residual valves in the lines on some of the cars (per manufacture guidelines then too). I ALWAYS follow the manufacturers guidelines when it comes to something like this. As far as the bottleneck thought, well I guess it is just a logical "word" to use when thinking about this install. When doing it, it doesn't matter.
Oh believe me, it will work this way. The servo's in the ABS unit will move whatever volume they need to by the feedback from the tone ring in the wheel. The fluid behind them (line/line lock/master cylinder) supplies the ABS unit just fine.
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I don't understand why you would want the servos to assist in your braking every time you stop. They aren't designed for continuous duty. They are designed to only operate in a skidding situation. I suggest you do a little more research into this before you try it. I found enough info on the web to make my decision.
Well then, it's a bit late for some of you guys because I bet nobody is going take them off and put them where the manufacturer suggests now... but, it is good that there's at least the information here now to see where they do belong. I will put ONE under the hood somewhere on the front line before the ABS unit.
Thanks Guys for your research! NOW we have heard it from the horses mouth the correct way to install these things.
I was putting these on cars before the ABS was even thought of! I used the brake proportioning valve on all the pro street cars too because they had HUGE tires in the rear and you know, tiny front ones. I put it so it was reached by the driver (up throught the floor just ahead of the seat). I used the same one shown in the picture as well! I even installed a few Willwood kits that I had to put 2lb. residual valves in the lines on some of the cars (per manufacture guidelines then too). I ALWAYS follow the manufacturers guidelines when it comes to something like this. As far as the bottleneck thought, well I guess it is just a logical "word" to use when thinking about this install. When doing it, it doesn't matter.
Oh believe me, it will work this way. The servo's in the ABS unit will move whatever volume they need to by the feedback from the tone ring in the wheel. The fluid behind them (line/line lock/master cylinder) supplies the ABS unit just fine.
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I don't understand why you would want the servos to assist in your braking every time you stop. They aren't designed for continuous duty. They are designed to only operate in a skidding situation. I suggest you do a little more research into this before you try it. I found enough info on the web to make my decision.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blazing Saddles @ February 18, 2006, 9:33 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I don't understand why you would want the servos to assist in your braking every time you stop. They aren't designed for continuous duty. They are designed to only operate in a skidding situation. I suggest you do a little more research into this before you try it. I found enough info on the web to make my decision.
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Oh, I will ! (thank you)
I am for sure going to wait until I get an answer from the tech question. I told them that our lines are 1/4 into the ABS and 1/8 out.
ABS will not do anything on a stop unless is gets bad feedback. I am not worried about a duty cycle it won't see. Perhaps I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain that a bit more?
Great thread! We will eventually know a lot more about brake systems than we'll ever use again!
I don't understand why you would want the servos to assist in your braking every time you stop. They aren't designed for continuous duty. They are designed to only operate in a skidding situation. I suggest you do a little more research into this before you try it. I found enough info on the web to make my decision.
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Oh, I will ! (thank you)
I am for sure going to wait until I get an answer from the tech question. I told them that our lines are 1/4 into the ABS and 1/8 out.
ABS will not do anything on a stop unless is gets bad feedback. I am not worried about a duty cycle it won't see. Perhaps I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain that a bit more?
Great thread! We will eventually know a lot more about brake systems than we'll ever use again!