max2000jp

Ah, ok . That will be it then. The Euro / later US suspension is a very good mix between cornering ability/feedback and daily comfort.

We've found Nissan US service a bit lacking at our local dealer, but then again my local Ford dealer (Maxwell Ford in Austin) was horrendous too. Had no idea what he was talking about (didn't even know the names of the car colours) *and* wanted $3k over MSRP. Then tried to sell me a "demo" car with 2200 miles on it for the 'bargain' price of $2k over MSRP. I laughed in his face. On the other hand, my next nearest dealer (Holly @ Leif Johnson) was fantastically helpful, and when I said I'm not ready to make a decision yet she respected that and hasn't hassled me once. She will get my business if I do decide to get a 'Stang. [/b][/quote]
Thats the reason why I will likely never own another Nissan. Nissan's customer service is HORRIBLE. The techs don't have a clue and it usually takes a couple of times to get it right. This is coming from a dealership that has numerous awards from Nissan for customer service. Overall quality of Nissan's product has been falling over the years. Many domestics brands are now ranked above Nissan in quality, per JD Power.

Jack Frost

Now that's funny Since I am sure you don't include yourself with the rest of us posers, could you please remind me of just why you bought such an inferior product?

The Boss Hog [/b][/quote]
If you read my posts... I DID say I bought the GT because overall it's a very good car.

But that just makes the choice of a SRA all the more infuriating because I could've had the perfect car.

Look dude, you can close your eyes and pretend everything is perfect.

In the meantime, you can be sure you'll reap the future benefits brought on by those of us that refuse to accept compromises and demand better.

holderca1

If you read my posts... I DID say I bought the GT because overall it's a very good car.

But that just makes the choice of a SRA all the more infuriating because I could've had the perfect car.

Look dude, you can close your eyes and pretend everything is perfect.

In the meantime, you can be sure you'll reap the future benefits brought on by those of us that refuse to accept compromises and demand better. [/b][/quote]
I say stop complaining, this is on page 8 already. Go spend some money on an aftermarket suspension if you are not happy with it.

Jack Frost

If you don't want to read the thread, why open it?

So what if it's on page 8? For the most part, this thread contains healthy, cordial debate.

There are a thousand other threads available for your entertainment. Your mind is clearly made up on this topic...so move along.

holderca1

Your's isn't?

Jack Frost

Your's isn't? [/b][/quote]
Of course it is...it was when I started the thread. But I'm enjoying other members opinions...I'm not raging on a thread for going on too long.

I don't understand somebody's motive, such as yours, in suggesting a thread is 'on it's 8th page' and should end.

Again, I ask, is there nothing else on the board to keep you busy?

holderca1

Of course it is...it was when I started the thread. But I'm enjoying other members opinions...I'm not raging on a thread for going on too long.

I don't understand somebody's motive, such as yours, in suggesting a thread is 'on it's 8th page' and should end.

Again, I ask, is there nothing else on the board to keep you busy? [/b][/quote]
I only said page 8 because you are saying pretty much the same thing as you said on page 1. I aslo don't understand how my mind being made up on a topic doesn't give me the right to talk about a topic when it's okay for you to do so, sounds a little hypocritical to me. I gave you my opinion several times. You basically have three choices, (1) get a GT with a SRA and spend some money upgrading the suspension, (2) wait and buy a Cobra with the IRS, or (3) but a different car that has IRS. I completely understand why some people prefer an IRS and why some prefer a SRA. You also have to realize that the rear suspension isn't everything, I heard that the '05 Mustang GT outhandled the 350Z Track edition, and has outhandled an '04 Mustang Cobra. Are you wanting an IRS for ride quality or handling?

LotusElise

Can you point me to where the GT outhandled the Z? I'm interested in what the specifics were. The GT is a more comfortable cruiser ('ride quality'), but I don't imagine it could out handle the Z.

Thanks.

holderca1

Can you point me to where the GT outhandled the Z? I'm interested in what the specifics were. The GT is a more comfortable cruiser ('ride quality'), but I don't imagine it could out handle the Z.

Thanks. [/b][/quote]
I don't remember where I saw it, I can dig around and see if I can find it though.

holderca1

Found this from Car & Driver, will try and find actual numbers though, and my mistake, it was the Touring trim, not the Track.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...8&page_number=2

Montrose

How did you come up with that figure??? [/b][/quote]
I was told that by a knowledgable Ford person.

max2000jp

Are you wanting an IRS for ride quality or handling? [/b][/quote]
I would like both....The SLA cant match an IRS in either catagories.

holderca1

I would like both....The SLA cant match an IRS in either catagories. [/b][/quote]
:scratch: Did you read my entire post or just the last sentence? I said the '05 Mustang GT outhandled the '04 Cobra and the 350Z Touring Edition, both of which have IRS. But I am sure the IRS equipped Cobra on the S197 platform will run circles around the GT. Like I said earlier, there is more to handling then just the rear axle.

jsaylor

Ah, ok . That will be it then. The Euro / later US suspension is a very good mix between cornering ability/feedback and daily comfort.

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I would have to say wether or not the Z Car rides "nicely" is a matter of opinion more than anything, likely even on the revised suspension. Edmunds just blasted a 05 350Z in their comparison with the RX8 and Mustang GT for having a very harsh ride. And, while they did admit that this was an Enthusiast model with a stiffer suspension, they said that in their experience all Z cars ride pretty stiff.

But, like I said this is all a matter of opinion as I don't think the Mustang GT rides harshly, but I don't think I would call it a marshmallow either. In my experience the 350Z does tend to ride a bit on the "does this car have shocks?" side of things. But, to be fair I have yet to ride in a Z new enough to haveexpereienced the changes made by the revised suspension settings.

The Boss Hog

OK, so am I to understand you spent $25k because overall its a very good car, but somehow the rest of us bought it NOT because its a very good car, but rather because we are sheep?

Quote:

Originally posted by Jack Frost@January 12, 2005, 2:22 PM
Look dude, you can close your eyes and pretend everything is perfect.

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Dude . . . how about showing me where I said everything was pefect? Or are you just making things up as you go along?

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In the meantime, you can be sure you'll reap the future benefits brought on by those of us that refuse to accept compromises and demand better.[/quote]

Before you get to carried away patting yourself on the back for "refusing to accept compromises", maybe you should go out and check what's in your driveway. I'll bet when the Ford Marketers are counting sales, they include you right along with the rest of us sheep.

The Boss Hog

bob

Bah....Bah.....Bah.... Uncompromising vehicles cost so much darn money and only appeal to a narrow few.

stang-pang

I was hung up on the solid rear axle thing for a while, but have decided to buy the car anyways. The only time you would notice the difference would be when you are pressing the car to the very edge, not something wise drivers on public roads tend to do. I might drive the car at 90%, but when you reach 100% it spells accident. And I read the following in Car and Driver:


"The next best thing about the Mustang is that it now rides like a modern car. Less jarring crash-through, fewer expansion-strip jitters, no lateral wango-tango over broken pavement, less suspension-borne road noise. Yet even with the far cushier ride, handling has improved. Not even the most recent independent-rear-suspension SVT Cobra can match the new GT's skidpad grip, which now also surpasses a Nissan 350Z Touring's, come to think of it."

That's good, right? Anyways, I can always drive the 05 until one of the SE's comes out then trade in and buy up. I'm just not sure I need to drive a 400hp+ car with F1 handling on a public road anyways...when or where would I ever get to tap into the performance? I'm sure I'll be happy with my new GT!!! B)

WBstangGT

AHHH!!! DEAD HORSE DEAD HORSE!!! stop beating it already....

stang-pang

Nice...thanks for that. :scratch:

ManEHawke

I gotta say I am impressed with the .89 G's it pulls.
It's more of a curiosity for me on what IRS would do.