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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 11:44 AM
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Probably the same question the K-Code 289 Guys asked when the 390, 428 SCJ's came out.

It's all a matter of perspective.
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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 02:27 PM
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I bought what I could afford. No regrets.
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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 02:58 PM
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Yes Big Time!

I cant believe i bought my used 89 fox,when ford new darn well in 2011 that the new 5.0 would be coming out.
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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 04:02 PM
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I don't feel short changed. I bought my 07 GT new for $26K out the door. I doubt you'll be able to get a 2011 5.0 for less than 32K. Has heard what the MSRP will be on the 5.0s? I'm planning on installing a blower to keep up.
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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 04:03 PM
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And, the only people that can feel slightly short changed or those that bought a 2010 GT, not those of us that bought an 05-09.
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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaden
And, the only people that can feel slightly short changed or those that bought a 2010 GT, not those of us that bought an 05-09.
ouch to 10 owners.
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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaden
And, the only people that can feel slightly short changed or those that bought a 2010 GT, not those of us that bought an 05-09.
never really thought about that one. could be some 10 owners that like the current look but didnt get the new power option... my guess is not really- these are still great cars all around.

I will say I think the price deals on the 09 will never ever be seen again- but I hope I'm wrong on that one...there were new gt deluxes out there for high 22-ish prices, thats one heck of a lot of bang for the buck...with the 'employee pricing' stuff they offered, we got the 09 for 24 something, still a couple k cheaper than the 06 was even having it flatbedded from Michigan...
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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaden
And, the only people that can feel slightly short changed or those that bought a 2010 GT, not those of us that bought an 05-09.
I can understand that...

but I love my 3V. Besides the 10/11 doesn't come in DHG.
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 12:48 AM
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I don't feel shortchanged at all. I am not a fan of the rear end of the 2010+ cars. As far as power is concerned. If I feel too low, I will look for a motor out of a 2011 on ebay. I was seeing the 3V motors there within 2 years of it coming out. Then I can have the best of both models.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 11:07 AM
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I spent a few minutes reading about the new 5.0 V-8. I feel that we were short changed on our 4.6 3V engine. If they were only going to keep it for 5 years, why not keep it the old 2 or 4v engine for a few more years? I have a few questions for those of you who want to weigh in.

1. Will this limited run, hurt us in the aftermarket/support aspect?

2. Do you feel like we got the 390 CID, that had a very short run in Mustangs (2 years) or the 289 that only lasted 4 years. Maybe the 289 was a better example since the mod of it became the much vaunted 302. Personally I always like the 351 C but that is just me.

3. Was the 4.6 3V just an experiment to get ready for the 302 using vct tech?

Don't get me wrong, the tech seems to be there, they designed headers, cool valve covers, strut bar and got the cosmetics on this engine right. Someone was thinking out of the box for sure! I wish they had spent just a bit more on our cosmetics. Wonder what the mod crew will come up with to improve on this one?

Please don't buy a product if you don't like it.
If you like the product, then buy it if you can afford it.
Except in extremely limited situations, the product for sale today will be inferior than the product for sale tomorrow.
Nobody gyped you, it's called progress.
What's so difficult to understand about this?
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 01:25 PM
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Guys I agree that its a natural progression and the way of the market right now but I mean he was just asking peoples opinions??? No need to get on him... I mean I guess I sound like a Hypocrite now; **** it... Hahahaha
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 03:30 PM
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Guys I agree that its a natural progression and the way of the market right now but I mean he was just asking peoples opinions??? No need to get on him... I mean I guess I sound like a Hypocrite now; **** it... Hahahaha

I know, I usually try to be a nice guy, but the pov he was asking the questions from really rubs me the wrong way. It came across as a "oh noes dis big corporation made me buy their product... and now... they made another product that's better... how dare they!"

I mean it's perspective: we have our Mustangs, no Mustang in the future will change the car we bought. Unless it runs into it or something. I guess that's possible. So I guess if he bought his car for the sole reason that it was the best Mustang in existence... well... he probably should have bought a GT500.

Short changed on engine technology? C'mon, the internal combustion engine's older than anybody alive, it's pretty basic stuff, but the 4.6 3v is also pretty tried and true. I'd rather sit tight with my engine that I've absued daily for the past 2 years and 30k miles than to take a chance on the initial production run of the 2011's 5.0. We don't have something that's cobbled together from the parts bin, we have something that freakin' works. That doesn't mean I don't intend to mod my car futher, far from it. It can be better. But will it be worse now that there's new engine tech out there?

No.

That's all.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaden
And, the only people that can feel slightly short changed or those that bought a 2010 GT, not those of us that bought an 05-09.
I kinda agree with that.....

Originally Posted by cdynaco
I can understand that...but I love my 3V. Besides the 10/11 doesn't come in DHG.

Not yet.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 04:09 PM
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This is stupid. How the hell can you regret a purchase you made in '08 because they came out with something better 3 model years later? Makes no sense. I can see the '10 guys being miffed, because some of them paid top dollar to get the new thing on the block only to have it upstaged so soon, but not the '09 guys, and certainly not '08 and earlier. Also, the '11 is quite a bit more money.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dixie_Flatline
I know, I usually try to be a nice guy, but the pov he was asking the questions from really rubs me the wrong way. It came across as a "oh noes dis big corporation made me buy their product... and now... they made another product that's better... how dare they!"

I mean it's perspective: we have our Mustangs, no Mustang in the future will change the car we bought. Unless it runs into it or something. I guess that's possible. So I guess if he bought his car for the sole reason that it was the best Mustang in existence... well... he probably should have bought a GT500.

Short changed on engine technology? C'mon, the internal combustion engine's older than anybody alive, it's pretty basic stuff, but the 4.6 3v is also pretty tried and true. I'd rather sit tight with my engine that I've absued daily for the past 2 years and 30k miles than to take a chance on the initial production run of the 2011's 5.0. We don't have something that's cobbled together from the parts bin, we have something that freakin' works. That doesn't mean I don't intend to mod my car futher, far from it. It can be better. But will it be worse now that there's new engine tech out there?

No.

That's all.
I hear ya on that... And it's not that I don't agree with you on every aspect but I guess I was just trying to be a nice guy
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
I can understand that...

but I love my 3V. Besides the 10/11 doesn't come in DHG.
Or Screaming Yellow...
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Old Feb 6, 2010 | 08:23 PM
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We got sold short...........GM has been getting a LOT more HP out of an engine with basically the same amount of cubic inches that Ford has been making for a VERY long time.
The articles I am reading make the engineers at Ford look like they have discovered horsepower from a 5.0 size motor that has been never discovered before. GM has been getting a LOT more HP forever from basically the same size motor for a VERY long time!!
Maybe the alarm clock just went off in the bedroom of the Ford engineers.
I have been a long time fan of Mustangs......30 years plus.....so I guess I have to say...Thank you Ford for getting more HP from basically the same cubic inches that GM has been doing for many years.
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Old Feb 6, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayberry40
We got sold short...........GM has been getting a LOT more HP out of an engine with basically the same amount of cubic inches that Ford has been making for a VERY long time.
The articles I am reading make the engineers at Ford look like they have discovered horsepower from a 5.0 size motor that has been never discovered before. GM has been getting a LOT more HP forever from basically the same size motor for a VERY long time!!
Maybe the alarm clock just went off in the bedroom of the Ford engineers.
I have been a long time fan of Mustangs......30 years plus.....so I guess I have to say...Thank you Ford for getting more HP from basically the same cubic inches that GM has been doing for many years.
Basically that same cubic inches? You're joking right? There's a huge disparity between 281 cubic inches and over 350 cubic inches. Motors today routinely produce at or above 1hp per cubic inch, and when you're at a 70 cubic inch disadvantage, of course it's gonna be harder to produce power.

The 281 Modular motor has done very well in this regards. It doesn't have as nice of a torque curve, but it is a small engine.

The new 5.0 is still over 50 cubic inches behind chevrolet's 6.2l v8 offering in it's current cars.

I guess my definition of "basically the same" and yours is quite a bit different.
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Old Feb 7, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jlmounce
Basically that same cubic inches? You're joking right? There's a huge disparity between 281 cubic inches and over 350 cubic inches. Motors today routinely produce at or above 1hp per cubic inch, and when you're at a 70 cubic inch disadvantage, of course it's gonna be harder to produce power.

The 281 Modular motor has done very well in this regards. It doesn't have as nice of a torque curve, but it is a small engine.

The new 5.0 is still over 50 cubic inches behind chevrolet's 6.2l v8 offering in it's current cars.

I guess my definition of "basically the same" and yours is quite a bit different.
Ditto.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 09:13 AM
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I started this thread and have read all the progress threads and happy with what i bought bit. What I was driving at was, while the 4.6 has been around for a while (15 years). It has not really been the same 4.6 as far as design. We have the 2v, the PI heads, the 4V heads, now the 3V heads. Pretty much the 302 has been the same since it was redone in the 80's. My only concern is the lack of new products and developement of aftermarket stuff for this engine type (4.6L 3V). Ford had a 300hp 4.6 used in the Mach 1 in the 03/04 engines (32 V) motor. That would have worked and then used the new 302 when it was developed. That would have saved some R & D on the 3v motor, but that is why I think the 3V was a needed step in the movement to the new 302?
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