This thread could've been over a lot sooner if you would've said that earlier.

 

Bottom line....Again.... We are offering a simple to bolt on part that offers a performance improvement. It does it for less then the OE replacment part and has a better warranty. We all agree that the coils will show a large percentage improvement on a higher hp car then a stock 300hp engine. I agree the debate has gone on for what seems like forever. it is also proven that no matter what numbers I put up someone will be very happy and another will be very happy to say seem it ain't all that great.

I offered to sell 2 sets at cost so I did my part

 

I'm not sure why you are confused. My statement was in reply to someone else's statement about letting the magazines test products.

Did I say ANYTHING about you, your company or your products? No.

Many of the big Mustang magazines have printed "reviews" of parts that simply are BS. The "results" they get are not even CLOSE to the results that everyone in the real world get with the exact same product.

Often, the test procedure they used is completely faulty. For example, they do a before/after test on a CAI. The before test is bone stock. But the CAI won't work with the stock tune (most of the good CAIs out there), so they ALSO reflash the car with an SCT tune.

Then they run their after test and report that the CAI made 30hp. The truth is the CAI made much less than that. The tune was worth a fairly significant portion of that gain.

If they want to actually TEST the product, they would have installed the base SCT tune on the baseline run to minimize the variations. But that wouldn't have given as big an increase on the new widget, so...

I've also noticed that quite often when this kind of garbage is going on, the shop performing the test and running the dyno is affiliated with the company that makes the part. The problem here is even if they DO run a 100% neutral test, there is an appearance of impropriety and you will ALWAYS doubt their test methodology.

Here is something for you to think about: Have you ever read through the HP/torque tables for these tests? Have you ever seen a case where the HP was NOT equal to the torque at 5252 rpm? I have. And because HP is a CALCULATED value based on torque and rpm, that simply isn't possible. So where did the conflicting numbers come from? They sure as heck didn't come from a proper dyno run. I've seen cases where there was a 30hp offset on the after case, but the before case was exactly as the math demands.

I'm SURE it was all a simple mistake.

But I DO have to wonder how these "mistakes" only seem to make the parts under test look BETTER and NEVER worse.

Or how the company that is making the parts under test manage to have their ad for that exact same part within a page or so of the "article" testing that part. Strangely enough, in magazines that run tests that I actually trust, you will NEVER see that sort of thing simply because the editorial team is completely isolated from the advertising team.

Which all boils down to the simple fact that I, for one, do NOT trust the Mustang magazines to perform truly unbiased tests. And at times, I think it goes a LONG ways beyond "simple mistakes" and an inability to perform unbiased tests.

I do agree that you will not manage to make everyone happy. That's human nature. But I would suggest that if you keep digging your hole deeper and deeper, it comes a point where you just need to put the shovel down.

 

Man - are you having a tough day? If I don't address questions I get blamed for avoiding - if I do I get told i am bigging a hole - sheesh

Why does it all end in a fight? - let us all take a breath

 

I tip my hat to you J.R., you have come here and werehonest enough to say your COPs are not the 2nd coming but improve performance..I wish we could come to an agreement on a 3rd party test ,but your statement was classy...If I bought a set and went to Tillmans to get before and after numbers could I get a break on dyno time CR???

ps I would even purchase a tILLMAN TUNE..

 

I could have told you back when the thread was started that we wouldn't get independent results. You know why he won't send a set out? Because he doesn't have to. He still gets business regardless. This thread is nothing but a worthless food fight at this point.

 

True. But it IS something to do while you are talking yourself into pulling out the detailing products and heading to garage!

 

Absolutely. Give me a call.

CR

 

I said I would shut up earlier but I am still following this thread. I await Tillman #'s if it happens.
Scott

 

x2....

 

Bringing subject again on top.
Guys if you change for higher Voltage cops like Granatelli ones I would recommend to increase the standard spark plug gap what with stronger spark will then definitely improve the combustion and the power.
I am wondering what Granatelli would suggest for N/A Mustangs with lets say they Red Coil Packs 45000volts – I would suggest .060 gap

 

I wish I had seen this thread a couple of months ago. I bought the 60,000V GMS coil pack a couple of months ago. I didn't have a before and after done. My car is not a daily driver, and I still have the stock ones. I guess i could send them to CR so he could do a test and have them sent back. Everyone has probably lost interest in them at this point though.

 

This is pretty interesting, wish we had some independent results after 5 pages

If I happen to fall into some money, I'll throw the ol stroker on the dyno and see what happens

 

I am following this and still wondering how we can bring happiness and closure

 

Dyno results that don't have "Granatelli Motorsports" splashed across the top, or came from some magazine.

 

This is not rocket science.

Grab ANY stock SN197 Mustang GT, take it to any 3rd party Dyno. Dyno the thing. There is your baseline. Now install your Granatelli Coil Packs. make zero other changes or adjustments. Dyno the thing again. Post the independent Dyno proof of your performance claims.

Or possibly proof of no performance gains.

Done.

These Granatelli Coil Packs either give your published "12 hp increase" performance gain or they do not.

It couldn't be much simpler than that.

 

I am falling into some cash in February and I am gonna do exactly what the previous poster said...I will post the dyno sheets here...you got that JR!!! I'll be calling you so polish up a set of your best Coils for me!!! (pm me if you wanna offer any special pricing!!! i'll tell you exact mods and dyno tuner details etc)

 

This has been done before again and again. Tested on a harley truck and s197 by Extreme Auto in Canoga park CA. Harley made 15hp gain and S197 made 8

Tested by Saleen on a stock N/A Saleen - they claimed 5 to 6 HP after several back to back tests.

Test by Stage 5 in New york or FL i don't recall - on Ford GT made and help maintain big numbers

 

based on your sig - you need the Xtreme Duty coils

 

So the simple answer would have been...

NO we can't get 12 Horsepower from our Coil Packs on a stock SN197 4.6 Mustang.
But we have customers who have documented 5 and 8 horsepower increases.

Here are the before and after dyno results.
(Attach 4 dyno results here)

End of Friggin thread. Period.