Ford 4.6L 3V V8
1/19/06, 02:39 PM
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Pride is good... as long as it is tempered by realism. 
1/19/06, 02:41 PM
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I've dropped the popcorn. I think what people are trying to tell you MSP, to put it in simple to understand words is this:
They have faith in what has proven to work in the engines, and work well. If people did what you were claiming they could do, without further research and more information, then their engine is gone too.
Just because someone realizes the limits of what their car can or cannot do, doesn't mean they have "lost faith" in the car or Ford. It only means they are aware and respectful of the limits of their car.
In fact, respect is a far more important word here, then faith.
Might just be time to admit you were wrong in this instance and move on.
They have faith in what has proven to work in the engines, and work well. If people did what you were claiming they could do, without further research and more information, then their engine is gone too.
Just because someone realizes the limits of what their car can or cannot do, doesn't mean they have "lost faith" in the car or Ford. It only means they are aware and respectful of the limits of their car.
In fact, respect is a far more important word here, then faith.
Might just be time to admit you were wrong in this instance and move on.
1/19/06, 02:42 PM
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can I ask a question without getting flamed?..How many Vortech blown kits on the 05's have blown up motors that we forum members know of?..I am curious to find this out?..Now, I'm talking about out of the box vortech kits with their tunes etc...Not a pumped up 16 psi one..The standard 6-7 or 8-9 psi kits ..
can anybody answer this?
can anybody answer this?
1/19/06, 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by JeffreyDJ@January 19, 2006, 1:44 PM
I've dropped the popcorn. I think what people are trying to tell you MSP, to put it in simple to understand words is this:
They have faith in what has proven to work in the engines, and work well. If people did what you were claiming they could do, without further research and more information, then their engine is gone too.
Just because someone realizes the limits of what their car can or cannot do, doesn't mean they have "lost faith" in the car or Ford. It only means they are aware and respectful of the limits of their car.
In fact, respect is a far more important word here, then faith.
Might just be time to admit you were wrong in this instance and move on.
I've dropped the popcorn. I think what people are trying to tell you MSP, to put it in simple to understand words is this:
They have faith in what has proven to work in the engines, and work well. If people did what you were claiming they could do, without further research and more information, then their engine is gone too.
Just because someone realizes the limits of what their car can or cannot do, doesn't mean they have "lost faith" in the car or Ford. It only means they are aware and respectful of the limits of their car.
In fact, respect is a far more important word here, then faith.
Might just be time to admit you were wrong in this instance and move on.
1/19/06, 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by subzero05@January 19, 2006, 1:45 PM
can I ask a question without getting flamed?..How many Vortech blown kits on the 05's have blown up motors that we forum members know of?..I am curious to find this out?..Now, I'm talking about out of the box vortech kits with their tunes etc...Not a pumped up 16 psi one..The standard 6-7 or 8-9 psi kits ..
can anybody answer this?
can I ask a question without getting flamed?..How many Vortech blown kits on the 05's have blown up motors that we forum members know of?..I am curious to find this out?..Now, I'm talking about out of the box vortech kits with their tunes etc...Not a pumped up 16 psi one..The standard 6-7 or 8-9 psi kits ..
can anybody answer this?
1/19/06, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by MSP@January 19, 2006, 4:49 PM
Ok Jeffery!! I was wrong.. Is it possible you can just completely remove this entire thread? I wasnt aware that so many Mustang GT owners have given up so much hope on the 4.6L 3V, as it is presented by Ford.. I would much rather stick with something I can take pride in.. Which is a 2005 Mustang V6.. The water over here is way to deep for me..
Ok Jeffery!! I was wrong.. Is it possible you can just completely remove this entire thread? I wasnt aware that so many Mustang GT owners have given up so much hope on the 4.6L 3V, as it is presented by Ford.. I would much rather stick with something I can take pride in.. Which is a 2005 Mustang V6.. The water over here is way to deep for me..
1/19/06, 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by SixtySix@January 19, 2006, 1:56 PM
I dunno about you, but I love my car, it's engine and it's ability to take what I dish out at it. Read Jeff's post again, he certainly got it!
I dunno about you, but I love my car, it's engine and it's ability to take what I dish out at it. Read Jeff's post again, he certainly got it!
1/19/06, 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by JeffreyDJ@January 19, 2006, 2:00 PM
I can't remove a thread in this area, and I wouldn't want it removed either. However, at this point I think you're just being argumenative for the sake of it, because I don't think you read my post at all other then skimming it.
I can't remove a thread in this area, and I wouldn't want it removed either. However, at this point I think you're just being argumenative for the sake of it, because I don't think you read my post at all other then skimming it.
1/19/06, 03:04 PM
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Given up faith in a product because people realize what it can/can't do?
That's a pretty dumb statement.
It'd be like stating the 5.4L S/C in the GT500 can hit 750hp,
but it's not reliable past 675hp....
Well I guess I lost faith in that engine, knowing where its upper limit are....on the stock engine components...
...
I guess none of you have seen the V6 board and seen what MSP has said about the 4.0 V6.
I'll save you the time/energy.... it's pretty much the same rhetoric.
That's a pretty dumb statement.
It'd be like stating the 5.4L S/C in the GT500 can hit 750hp,
but it's not reliable past 675hp....
Well I guess I lost faith in that engine, knowing where its upper limit are....on the stock engine components...
...
I guess none of you have seen the V6 board and seen what MSP has said about the 4.0 V6.
I'll save you the time/energy.... it's pretty much the same rhetoric.
1/19/06, 03:10 PM
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I would say the Shelby's 5.4 would be good to over 1000 hp if they simply build it the with the same materials and components as the 03/04 cobras. That's how you rebuild a low end for a high-boost car to start with. 
I also believe that the new 4.6 is probably safe for long term use on stock internals very similar to the 04 engine: About 6/7 lbs non intercooled and 8/9 intercooled. The motor is NOT designed to be supercharged to start with. And thats based on using a near perfect safe tune with the proper fuel components. You can't even remotely compare it to the cobra powerplant #'s. Thats like saying a WRX with more boost is in any way equal to an Sti.
And properly adding power needs the entire powertrain to also be equipped to handle it. Upping the hp 150% from any stock car and expect it to be just hunky-dory is moronic to start with.
I also believe that the new 4.6 is probably safe for long term use on stock internals very similar to the 04 engine: About 6/7 lbs non intercooled and 8/9 intercooled. The motor is NOT designed to be supercharged to start with. And thats based on using a near perfect safe tune with the proper fuel components. You can't even remotely compare it to the cobra powerplant #'s. Thats like saying a WRX with more boost is in any way equal to an Sti.
And properly adding power needs the entire powertrain to also be equipped to handle it. Upping the hp 150% from any stock car and expect it to be just hunky-dory is moronic to start with.
1/19/06, 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by Boomer@January 19, 2006, 2:07 PM
Given up faith in a product because people realize what it can/can't do?
That's a pretty dumb statement.
It'd be like stating the 5.4L S/C in the GT500 can hit 750hp,
but it's not reliable past 675hp....
Well I guess I lost faith in that engine, knowing where its upper limit are....on the stock engine components...
...
I guess none of you have seen the V6 board and seen what MSP has said about the 4.0 V6.
I'll save you the time/energy.... it's pretty much the same rhetoric.
Given up faith in a product because people realize what it can/can't do?
That's a pretty dumb statement.
It'd be like stating the 5.4L S/C in the GT500 can hit 750hp,
but it's not reliable past 675hp....
Well I guess I lost faith in that engine, knowing where its upper limit are....on the stock engine components...
...
I guess none of you have seen the V6 board and seen what MSP has said about the 4.0 V6.
I'll save you the time/energy.... it's pretty much the same rhetoric.
@ JefferyDJ
I already apologized JefferyDJ and admitted a wrong philosphy in regards to the 4.6L 3V.....
1/19/06, 04:06 PM
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Geez!! I don't believe we are having this discussion again. Everyone has to believe in and spend their hard earned money as they see fit. I have told my story on this site at least 10 times in the last year but here goes again.
I blew up a 96 Cobra with a Kennebell SC'er in 1998. It was great for 2 years on 6 lbs of boost but only lasted 2 weeks and one 1/4 pass on 9 lbs. I would point out that this engine had the same powered metal rods and hyperpathic pistons ( this is how it should be spelled) that the 05 and 06 3v motor has.
These are great components for a stock motor and will last 200K miles with no problem. When I pulled this motor apart I had 2 broken rods and 5 broken pistons. Both rods punched hole thru that $2,000.00 block!!!!
Moral of the story! It cost me $6,000.00 in 98' to put that short block back together. Back than, even Jim Bell (owner of KenneBell) told me the rods and especially the pistons were questionable in these mod motors under high boost situations. Personally, I don't believe that Vortex is running stock internals or pump gas with 16 lbs of boost. But, it really doesn't matter because they are NOT going to pay the bill for a blow motor anymore than Kennebell did for mine back than.
MSP !!!! I have been bleeding FORD BLUE for more years than you have probably existed on planet earth and I am still buying them. I will go to my grave in a Ford hearse. My experience is real and not anything I would wish on any other member on this site. So speak from experience and not from your heart , please. When you have joined the been there and done that crowd please come back and share your real world experience with us. P.S. I would strongly suggest to all your SC'er guys to keep it modest on the stock engine.
Scott
I blew up a 96 Cobra with a Kennebell SC'er in 1998. It was great for 2 years on 6 lbs of boost but only lasted 2 weeks and one 1/4 pass on 9 lbs. I would point out that this engine had the same powered metal rods and hyperpathic pistons ( this is how it should be spelled) that the 05 and 06 3v motor has.
These are great components for a stock motor and will last 200K miles with no problem. When I pulled this motor apart I had 2 broken rods and 5 broken pistons. Both rods punched hole thru that $2,000.00 block!!!!
Moral of the story! It cost me $6,000.00 in 98' to put that short block back together. Back than, even Jim Bell (owner of KenneBell) told me the rods and especially the pistons were questionable in these mod motors under high boost situations. Personally, I don't believe that Vortex is running stock internals or pump gas with 16 lbs of boost. But, it really doesn't matter because they are NOT going to pay the bill for a blow motor anymore than Kennebell did for mine back than.
MSP !!!! I have been bleeding FORD BLUE for more years than you have probably existed on planet earth and I am still buying them. I will go to my grave in a Ford hearse. My experience is real and not anything I would wish on any other member on this site. So speak from experience and not from your heart , please. When you have joined the been there and done that crowd please come back and share your real world experience with us. P.S. I would strongly suggest to all your SC'er guys to keep it modest on the stock engine.
Scott
1/19/06, 04:09 PM
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MSP, I expect you to FIRST get a GT and then you may "sing to the choir". :cheer: I will follow the Vortech Install thread you start too!
BTW. Are you high ?
Do you work for Vortech ?
BTW. Are you high ?
Do you work for Vortech ?
1/19/06, 04:21 PM
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It's funny how this is always a debate, yet, since the day I bought my first mustang 19 years ago (oh man, I'm getting old) it has always been the same old story. The internals just can't handle the power for a very long time. If you are going to do it right then replace the internals as well. I would rather say I drove 200,000 miles with a 300hp engine than 2,000 miles with a 450hp engine. Well, unless it wasn't my car then why would I car if it even went 1,000 ft as long as I got to drive it
1/19/06, 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by adrenalin@January 19, 2006, 3:24 PM
It's funny how this is always a debate, yet, since the day I bought my first mustang 19 years ago (oh man, I'm getting old) it has always been the same old story. The internals just can't handle the power for a very long time. If you are going to do it right then replace the internals as well. I would rather say I drove 200,000 miles with a 300hp engine than 2,000 miles with a 450hp engine. Well, unless it wasn't my car then why would I car if it even went 1,000 ft as long as I got to drive it
It's funny how this is always a debate, yet, since the day I bought my first mustang 19 years ago (oh man, I'm getting old) it has always been the same old story. The internals just can't handle the power for a very long time. If you are going to do it right then replace the internals as well. I would rather say I drove 200,000 miles with a 300hp engine than 2,000 miles with a 450hp engine. Well, unless it wasn't my car then why would I car if it even went 1,000 ft as long as I got to drive it
1/19/06, 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by adrenalin@January 19, 2006, 5:24 PM
It's funny how this is always a debate, yet, since the day I bought my first mustang 19 years ago (oh man, I'm getting old) it has always been the same old story. The internals just can't handle the power for a very long time. If you are going to do it right then replace the internals as well. I would rather say I drove 200,000 miles with a 300hp engine than 2,000 miles with a 450hp engine. Well, unless it wasn't my car then why would I car if it even went 1,000 ft as long as I got to drive it
It's funny how this is always a debate, yet, since the day I bought my first mustang 19 years ago (oh man, I'm getting old) it has always been the same old story. The internals just can't handle the power for a very long time. If you are going to do it right then replace the internals as well. I would rather say I drove 200,000 miles with a 300hp engine than 2,000 miles with a 450hp engine. Well, unless it wasn't my car then why would I car if it even went 1,000 ft as long as I got to drive it
Well, I am probably older than you because I bought my 1st in stang 1970 (used) and a brand new 1974 Mustang II for the wife. Boy, I hate to admit that. But, your philosiphy is sound!!
Scott :worship:
1/19/06, 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by 70MACH1OWNER@January 19, 2006, 4:43 PM
1974 Mustang II for the wife. Boy, I hate to admit that.
1974 Mustang II for the wife. Boy, I hate to admit that.
