Factory service and custom tunes?
10/27/06, 11:53 AM
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My dealer doesn't have any problems with what I do to my car. But then again, I rarely go to the dealer for service anymore, there's just no need to and my warranty is just about up as well.
It's all about what the dealer wants to do. The best approach IMO, is to not even mention it. Let them discover your mods and let them feed you a line of B.S. first. Don't volunteer information or ask them about it.
It's all about what the dealer wants to do. The best approach IMO, is to not even mention it. Let them discover your mods and let them feed you a line of B.S. first. Don't volunteer information or ask them about it.
10/27/06, 05:59 PM
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Good to know...I guess that the most important question: What is the position of the dealer that you plan to service your vehicle? I was told by my delearship, C. Harper, "That they would pursue voiding the warranty with the installation of aftermarket CAIs and tunes, however, axle backs were OK". Do some research on this forum, you will find countless opinions on this topic... I personally will not take a chance, especially when it only takes me 5 minutes to swap out the CAI. The longer you have the vehicle, the more braver you get... I was not planning on getting a tune, now I am... There are countless opinions on this as well, i.e., the dealer can tell that you reflash, and void you warranty... 
. It's your car- do whatever you want... but they're are some on "here" who've said that it was a nightmare when a dealership pursues voiding your warranty for mods. Right or wrong, it'll still be a PITA.
. It's your car- do whatever you want... but they're are some on "here" who've said that it was a nightmare when a dealership pursues voiding your warranty for mods. Right or wrong, it'll still be a PITA.
you can also try Schultz Ford or McCraken Ford as well..As for doing research ?? I've done just that for over a year on these forums now in fact, if you take a look at the other warranty related threads ?? you'll find plenty of my other posts on the topic..The bottom line is ? I'll take the word of a Ford field service engineer any day, over some dealer rep whose only concern is attempting to insult their customers intelligence through intimidation by using scare tactics..
10/27/06, 06:14 PM
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10/27/06, 06:23 PM
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Oh really ?? Then explain this ? who do you think designs and engineers the FRPP cold air kit and pro cal tool (tuner) for Ford ? which by the way, is factory installed on both the Shelby hertz GT-H and the upcoming Shelby GT. that will be arriving at dealerships this January in which both vehicles carry full manufactures warranties ?? it's Steeda who shares their unique partnership in Ford's technology transfer program..
10/27/06, 06:52 PM
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Oh really ?? Then explain this ? who do you think designs and engineers the FRPP cold air kit and pro cal tool (tuner) for Ford ? which by the way, is factory installed on both the Shelby hertz GT-H and the upcoming Shelby GT. that will be arriving at dealerships this January in which both vehicles carry full manufactures warranties ?? it's Steeda who shares their unique partnership in Ford's technology transfer program..
I understand what you are saying - the FRPP CAI kit was designed to work properly with the Mustang GT. But what most end-users are doing is swapping out the MAF sensor for an aftermarket unit (is it a Ford Motor Company designed/engineered/sourced part or is it made by a 3rd party) and reflashing the PCM without a dealership's authorization or the factory's authorization. Again, most dealerships will probably never hassle you over this, but until I see something in writing that says "Joe Sixpack may install (by himself) the FRPP CAI KIT and reflash their S197 GT's PCM with the FRPP tuner without voiding the factory bumper-to-bumper warranty and/or the powertrain warranty" I'd be careful when dealing with some dealerships. You never know who you're going to get at the service desk. I've had service managers give me sh*t for buying Ford's black ebony clearcoat paint and blaming me for buying that paint color when it clearly delaminated due to improper prep or cheap paint or whatever.
10/27/06, 06:55 PM
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He's absolutely correct ?? the tuner and re-flash take care of the aftermarket MAF and transfer function..
10/27/06, 07:02 PM
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My car is modified, UDP, CAI, TUNE, 4.10 Gear, Exhaust. I've been in two ford dealer, doing some swap for new pieces due to original piece broken, and none of the two say something. Cost me 0$, total guaranty. With no problem and not a word about my guaranty.
10/27/06, 07:04 PM
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The Shelby GT-H/GT is not assembled (in final form) at Flat Rock, MI at the AAI plant (J-V plant between Ford and Mazda). Instead, it is finalized at Shelby's facility in NV. There is also a difference between having Shelby install it (recall the Bold Moves Episode where Hau said it was best to have Shelby do it, since they can get it done in 3 months versus Ford doing it in 2-3 years), and having the end-user install it as an aftermarket part in some hack-job S197.
I understand what you are saying - the FRPP CAI kit was designed to work properly with the Mustang GT. But what most end-users are doing is swapping out the MAF sensor for an aftermarket unit (is it a Ford Motor Company designed/engineered/sourced part or is it made by a 3rd party) and reflashing the PCM without a dealership's authorization or the factory's authorization. Again, most dealerships will probably never hassle you over this, but until I see something in writing that says "Joe Sixpack may install (by himself) the FRPP CAI KIT and reflash their S197 GT's PCM with the FRPP tuner without voiding the factory bumper-to-bumper warranty and/or the powertrain warranty" I'd be careful when dealing with some dealerships. You never know who you're going to get at the service desk. I've had service managers give me sh*t for buying Ford's black ebony clearcoat paint and blaming me for buying that paint color when it clearly delaminated due to improper prep or cheap paint or whatever.
I understand what you are saying - the FRPP CAI kit was designed to work properly with the Mustang GT. But what most end-users are doing is swapping out the MAF sensor for an aftermarket unit (is it a Ford Motor Company designed/engineered/sourced part or is it made by a 3rd party) and reflashing the PCM without a dealership's authorization or the factory's authorization. Again, most dealerships will probably never hassle you over this, but until I see something in writing that says "Joe Sixpack may install (by himself) the FRPP CAI KIT and reflash their S197 GT's PCM with the FRPP tuner without voiding the factory bumper-to-bumper warranty and/or the powertrain warranty" I'd be careful when dealing with some dealerships. You never know who you're going to get at the service desk. I've had service managers give me sh*t for buying Ford's black ebony clearcoat paint and blaming me for buying that paint color when it clearly delaminated due to improper prep or cheap paint or whatever.
10/27/06, 07:58 PM
#29
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I would take it back to stock (minus the axle backs) just to avoid the hassal if they do have an issue with it. Not like it takes long to put the stock air intake back on and re-flash it.
Dealers around me all have sign's up noting that they will void warrentys if there are any modified parts.
Dealers around me all have sign's up noting that they will void warrentys if there are any modified parts.
10/27/06, 08:05 PM
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RKNMACH and ECI are both correct.. METROPLEX and SIXTYSIX also brought up very interesting factors as well.. just follow their advice along with everything I've posted and you'll be just fine..
10/27/06, 08:08 PM
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Keep in mind that for a dealership to "void" a warranty, they have to prove that the modification is what caused the part failure. The onus is on them. Yes, you may get into a hassle, but ultimately, when it comes down to it, they cannot refuse to honor your warranty unless they prove (in a court of law if necessary), that your aftermarket part is the sole and direct cause for a material failure.
Point is, don't go out of your way unless you really think you've done something wrong to screw up your car. But don't go changing things around and putting yourself out just because you're afraid they might see something they don't like.
Again, getting into the PITA of it, but you're the customer so they have to serve you, if they try to deny it, the Better Business Bureau will take care of it right quick, and you can file your complaint online in about 15 minutes if necessary.
THEY HAVE TO HONOR A WARRANTY!!
Point is, don't go out of your way unless you really think you've done something wrong to screw up your car. But don't go changing things around and putting yourself out just because you're afraid they might see something they don't like.
Again, getting into the PITA of it, but you're the customer so they have to serve you, if they try to deny it, the Better Business Bureau will take care of it right quick, and you can file your complaint online in about 15 minutes if necessary.
THEY HAVE TO HONOR A WARRANTY!!
10/27/06, 08:32 PM
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Keep in mind that for a dealership to "void" a warranty, they have to prove that the modification is what caused the part failure. The onus is on them. Yes, you may get into a hassle, but ultimately, when it comes down to it, they cannot refuse to honor your warranty unless they prove (in a court of law if necessary), that your aftermarket part is the sole and direct cause for a material failure.
Point is, don't go out of your way unless you really think you've done something wrong to screw up your car. But don't go changing things around and putting yourself out just because you're afraid they might see something they don't like.
Again, getting into the PITA of it, but you're the customer so they have to serve you, if they try to deny it, the Better Business Bureau will take care of it right quick, and you can file your complaint online in about 15 minutes if necessary.
THEY HAVE TO HONOR A WARRANTY!!
Point is, don't go out of your way unless you really think you've done something wrong to screw up your car. But don't go changing things around and putting yourself out just because you're afraid they might see something they don't like.
Again, getting into the PITA of it, but you're the customer so they have to serve you, if they try to deny it, the Better Business Bureau will take care of it right quick, and you can file your complaint online in about 15 minutes if necessary.
THEY HAVE TO HONOR A WARRANTY!!
10/27/06, 09:14 PM
#33
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Steeda does advertise that you need a tune because of the change in MAF. I just chose to go with Doug's tune which takes the Steeda set up in consideration. There appear to be many other systems CAI available but I chose to go with one that seems to be in bed with Ford. The system works fine for me and has not created any problems so far.
10/28/06, 01:05 PM
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That is absolute 
and completely false..it's not up to the dealer ?? Only Ford itself has the legal authority to void their manufactures warranties
and completely false..it's not up to the dealer ?? Only Ford itself has the legal authority to void their manufactures warranties
10/30/06, 07:30 AM
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I'm going to jump in here.
I've got FRPP CMCV Delete Plates installed, and I guess that means that if I remove the CAI and restore the stock tune, that I will get some kind of error code, no? I am pretty much stuck with taking mine in with the 93 Race tune.
I do all my maintenance. I take it to the dealer only for warranty work.
I've got FRPP CMCV Delete Plates installed, and I guess that means that if I remove the CAI and restore the stock tune, that I will get some kind of error code, no? I am pretty much stuck with taking mine in with the 93 Race tune.
I do all my maintenance. I take it to the dealer only for warranty work.
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