And what's the specs with them on

 

From everything I've read there are minimal gains if any with shorty headers. I am still considering them myself due to the show factor because the OEM headers look so bad under the hood. From all the reviews I've read, long tubes are the way to go if you want any performance gains but the cost and installation is much larger.

 

Might as well eat your money or wipe your *** with it.

 

Here is the truth....shorties will gain you nothing. Longtubes are good for about 20rwhp. 10 comes from the loss of the cats and the other 10 from the better breathing the longtubes give you. Been there and done that. I run longtubes.

 

I also am running long tubes with high flow catted x pipe and believe I have gained at least 20hp+ from what I have read. There are several mags that have done dyno tests on the long tubes.

 

not worth it

 

Only worth if you are considering a turbo, or if emissions inspections are a concern. Heck, I'm in California, and I have LTs. Like 70sMachOneOwner said, I gained maybe 10 hp going from or/x shorties to o/r x LTs. BTW, get some CMCV deletes, if you already haven't.

 

Yes...good advise. Worth another 8-10 rwhp. I also have them. They do need a tune. Do it all at the same time.

 

Okay but the the thing is I already have the long off-road x pipe installed

 

Put the money towards another mod IMO.

 

If you want something expensive that looks good.

 

Sig is hilarious haha. I literally just loled

 

I forgot what it is. I'm on mobile haha doesn't show up. What is it again

 

Yea I'm on my iPhone too, I think you can turn it on in settings. But it's "slow good looking v6. I got over it" lol I was pissin my pants haha

 

Glad someone likes it lol it's true. No point in looking past it lol I think I'll turn my sig on if I find it

 

Haha yea we wouldn't want to put you in the same category as the kids at the track with their fast Hondas running 17s lol

 

Definitely not. Because those Hondas are rockets!

 

I've had just about every exhaust set-up for the S197, even headers. They did sound great but for me, the definite loss of low end torque was a real let down. This car was tuned and I personally never felt ANY power from the headers. I think power adders are when headers truly show their worth. I've always mainted that unless you're going FI, a simple loss of the cats are a best option from roughly the same amount of power. The 4.6 modular isn't a big engine and needs a little back pressure to make its power, open it up too much and low end dissipates.
But now that I'm cammed I do feel the need to add shortys (tuned length)
Now that I'm pushing more exhaust.
http://www.powerblocktv.com/player/s...-06&ep_show=HP

 

that ain't no lie

 

Correct. It doesn't really add a lot of horses. You will loose a little low end torque due to less back pressure but should gain a little on the high rpm range because of less back pressure.

Shorty headers ARE better than manifolds if you buy a set with pretty decent size primary tubes. But they don't help a whole lot. They also help keep a little heat out of the engine bay. So better than manifolds but not as good as long tubes.