Diablo or SCT?
9/29/05, 11:23 AM
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Ok, I know there has been a lot of debate on here about the Predator vs SCT. It seems both are quality items and it comes down to personal preference. My problem is this:
My 06 is an automatic transmission and according to a lot of you, the SCT is the way to go for an auto. tranny. But, There are no local SCT dealers in the greater Oklahoma City area. I thought about ordering a tune from Bamachips or Alternative (both are highly recommended) but I would really like a custom tune done on their dyno and because of the distance problem, that is out of the question.
My other option is to go with the predator and have a local shop custom tune my car on their Mustang dyno (they are only 5 miles from my house). The local shop has been recommended by several people, but none of them are Mustang owners. The problem here is many of you on the forums say the Predator isn't ideal for an auto. tranny.
So..............do I go with the SCT and just live with the tune they send me, or do I go with the Predator and have the local shop dyno it for me and "tweak" the adjustments?
By the way........I'll be going with a C&L CAI. And if I'm making too big of a deal about this don't be afraid to tell me. Maybe I should just flip a coin. Thanks in advance for your advice. I especially want to hear from those of you with automatics.
Rob.
My 06 is an automatic transmission and according to a lot of you, the SCT is the way to go for an auto. tranny. But, There are no local SCT dealers in the greater Oklahoma City area. I thought about ordering a tune from Bamachips or Alternative (both are highly recommended) but I would really like a custom tune done on their dyno and because of the distance problem, that is out of the question.
My other option is to go with the predator and have a local shop custom tune my car on their Mustang dyno (they are only 5 miles from my house). The local shop has been recommended by several people, but none of them are Mustang owners. The problem here is many of you on the forums say the Predator isn't ideal for an auto. tranny.
So..............do I go with the SCT and just live with the tune they send me, or do I go with the Predator and have the local shop dyno it for me and "tweak" the adjustments?
By the way........I'll be going with a C&L CAI. And if I'm making too big of a deal about this don't be afraid to tell me. Maybe I should just flip a coin. Thanks in advance for your advice. I especially want to hear from those of you with automatics.
Rob.
9/29/05, 11:26 AM
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Go with Doug at BamaChips, I could not be happier with both the Performance Tune and the Torque Tune's he provided for my K&N Aircharger, my car is a beast now! I'm from NJ. He has all the tunes available for every performance part you have in your vehicle, including your C&L intake. I got a 87 Perf. tune, 93 Perf. tune and a 93 Torque tune and I am amazed with these tunes. i highly recommend Doug for the outstanding tunes, customer service, price, etc.! Doug is a great tuner!
9/29/05, 12:47 PM
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It really depends on what is local. Like around here there are no Diablo tuners but there are SCT. In this case it would be best to buy an SCT. If there are no tuners local in your area you can pretty much get whatever you want as long as the tuner supports the changes you plan to make.
If you're buying a C&L intake, Diablo has a C&L tune. I have a K&N and they are still holding out on a tune for that.
In my opinion chips are good if you made all the mods you want to make, but if say for instance you put 4.10 gears in down the road, you can't tune your car for it because the chip is a 1 shot deal. This is my understand of chips.
If you're buying a C&L intake, Diablo has a C&L tune. I have a K&N and they are still holding out on a tune for that.
In my opinion chips are good if you made all the mods you want to make, but if say for instance you put 4.10 gears in down the road, you can't tune your car for it because the chip is a 1 shot deal. This is my understand of chips.
9/29/05, 01:00 PM
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All I'm gonna do is go w/ a C&L CAI and flowmaster exhaust. I won't be messing with gears. Bamachips and Alternative both sound like great tunes, but I'm wondering if I would get more of a custom tune and get the maxium performance from a local shop (predator tune) because they will have my vehicle right there on their dyno and can tweak it here and there. The local shop is claiming a 27 hp gain at the rear wheels and 3-4 mpg increase.
9/29/05, 01:02 PM
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If your local shop does Predator tuning then get the Predator. A mail order place will get you a great price but that's all they're going to do for you. Actually getting your car on the dyno is the best.
9/29/05, 01:07 PM
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Well both sides of this has its up and downs. I will only let Doug tune my car, not only because he is a good friend of mine, but he's one of the few tuners I'll trust.
If you go to a local place with diablo, sure their stuff is good, and they can get you probably more power on the first try, since they have a dyno in house.
If you go SCT through say Doug, he will get you fairly close if not perfect on the first try. But, after you get the car on the dyno with a SCT tune, You can take your dyno graph (power, trq, a/f) and send it to Doug and he can recalibrate your tune, and can send you the file back to you to load into your tuner. Thats going to require some more hardware maybe for your tuner, but the ability is awesome. That way your tuner can fine tune it from 100's of miles away.
Just letting you know, that you have options.
If you go to a local place with diablo, sure their stuff is good, and they can get you probably more power on the first try, since they have a dyno in house.
If you go SCT through say Doug, he will get you fairly close if not perfect on the first try. But, after you get the car on the dyno with a SCT tune, You can take your dyno graph (power, trq, a/f) and send it to Doug and he can recalibrate your tune, and can send you the file back to you to load into your tuner. Thats going to require some more hardware maybe for your tuner, but the ability is awesome. That way your tuner can fine tune it from 100's of miles away.
Just letting you know, that you have options.
9/29/05, 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by dustindu4@September 29, 2005, 1:50 PM
In my opinion chips are good if you made all the mods you want to make, but if say for instance you put 4.10 gears in down the road, you can't tune your car for it because the chip is a 1 shot deal. This is my understand of chips.
In my opinion chips are good if you made all the mods you want to make, but if say for instance you put 4.10 gears in down the road, you can't tune your car for it because the chip is a 1 shot deal. This is my understand of chips.
9/29/05, 01:25 PM
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The SCT is coming out though with the ability for end user adjustments which I don't think you can do on Diablo. If he wanted to custom adjust WOT shift points and idle speed or spark adjustment he can do it with SCT.
Lidio at Alternative is sending mine with the ability to make adjustments but he did warn that they are not completely proven yet. (the end user adjustability)
Lidio at Alternative is sending mine with the ability to make adjustments but he did warn that they are not completely proven yet. (the end user adjustability)
9/29/05, 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by MaverickMLFD371@September 29, 2005, 11:29 AM
Go with Doug at BamaChips, I could not be happier with both the Performance Tune and the Torque Tune's he provided for my K&N Aircharger, my car is a beast now! I'm from NJ. He has all the tunes available for every performance part you have in your vehicle, including your C&L intake. I got a 87 Perf. tune, 93 Perf. tune and a 93 Torque tune and I am amazed with these tunes. i highly recommend Doug for the outstanding tunes, customer service, price, etc.! Doug is a great tuner!
Go with Doug at BamaChips, I could not be happier with both the Performance Tune and the Torque Tune's he provided for my K&N Aircharger, my car is a beast now! I'm from NJ. He has all the tunes available for every performance part you have in your vehicle, including your C&L intake. I got a 87 Perf. tune, 93 Perf. tune and a 93 Torque tune and I am amazed with these tunes. i highly recommend Doug for the outstanding tunes, customer service, price, etc.! Doug is a great tuner!
Whats the difference between performance tune and torque tune?
9/29/05, 01:38 PM
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Performance is mainly for WOT or pretty much the racetrack, you will get more horsepower and more torque at WOT or higher RPMs. The torque tune is more for the daily driver or more seat of the pants feelings. Its is mainly not giving the car more horsepower, but more torque!! and you can def feel a differnece too, and the torque tune is more for low end torque. I used the torque tune everyday and run the Performance tune at the racetrack, its awesome!
Doug at BamaChips would be able to give you a more detailed explanation between the Torque and Performance Tune.
Doug at BamaChips would be able to give you a more detailed explanation between the Torque and Performance Tune.
9/29/05, 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by mlcrisis@September 29, 2005, 3:52 PM
Doug at BamaChips has my business for LIFE !!!!!
AWESOME Tunes, EXCEPTIONAL Customer Service from Doug.
Doug at BamaChips has my business for LIFE !!!!!
AWESOME Tunes, EXCEPTIONAL Customer Service from Doug.
Yea, what he said! :worship:
9/29/05, 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by 6505pony@September 29, 2005, 12:28 PM
The SCT is coming out though with the ability for end user adjustments which I don't think you can do on Diablo.
The SCT is coming out though with the ability for end user adjustments which I don't think you can do on Diablo.
9/29/05, 02:32 PM
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Well since I posted this Thread, I located an SCT dealer (found him on SCT website) 55 miles north of where I live. He said he is very familiar with Bamachips and said they are great. He said he would be glad to custom tune my car and shot me a reasonable price, so now I do have access to a somewhat local SCT tuner. He didn't knock the diablosport, he just told me all of the advantages of the SCT. I can respect that.
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Originally posted by mlcrisis@September 29, 2005, 1:52 PM
Doug at BamaChips has my business for LIFE !!!!!
AWESOME Tunes, EXCEPTIONAL Customer Service from Doug.
Doug at BamaChips has my business for LIFE !!!!!
AWESOME Tunes, EXCEPTIONAL Customer Service from Doug.
9/29/05, 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by OKLACOP@September 29, 2005, 3:35 PM
Well since I posted this Thread, I located an SCT dealer (found him on SCT website) 55 miles north of where I live. He said he is very familiar with Bamachips and said they are great. He said he would be glad to custom tune my car and shot me a reasonable price, so now I do have access to a somewhat local SCT tuner. He didn't knock the diablosport, he just told me all of the advantages of the SCT. I can respect that.
Well since I posted this Thread, I located an SCT dealer (found him on SCT website) 55 miles north of where I live. He said he is very familiar with Bamachips and said they are great. He said he would be glad to custom tune my car and shot me a reasonable price, so now I do have access to a somewhat local SCT tuner. He didn't knock the diablosport, he just told me all of the advantages of the SCT. I can respect that.
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Originally posted by dustindu4@September 29, 2005, 1:05 PM
If your local shop does Predator tuning then get the Predator. A mail order place will get you a great price but that's all they're going to do for you. Actually getting your car on the dyno is the best.
If your local shop does Predator tuning then get the Predator. A mail order place will get you a great price but that's all they're going to do for you. Actually getting your car on the dyno is the best.