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Old 10/20/10, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 70MACH1OWNER
Who's heads? Missing from your line up. For a manual guy you must be a **** good shiftman. I am an auto guy also and it is hard to believe anyone could shift a manual as fast but you my man are getting real close!!
Stock heads and shortblock. Just have those cams, springs and limiters in there! As for shifting, I standard shift 1-2 and 2-3, then speed shift 4th. I'm trying a speed shift 2-3 Saturday.

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With the gears/tires you must be shifting into 4th shortly before the finish? I was with manual, 4.10s, and 325/17 drag radials. That extra shift could be slowing you down just enough (for now).
Yep, 4th gear about 6200rpm at the traps on a 26" tire.
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Originally Posted by jwgroovin
Stock heads and shortblock. Just have those cams, springs and limiters in there! As for shifting, I standard shift 1-2 and 2-3, then speed shift 4th. I'm trying a speed shift 2-3 Saturday.



Yep, 4th gear about 6200rpm at the traps on a 26" tire.
When you say speed shift, what are we talking about here?
Old 10/20/10, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by randy_tho
When you say speed shift, what are we talking about here?
Sorry, "power" shifting is probably used more. Shifting with the gas pedal planted on the floor...
Old 10/20/10, 07:59 PM
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Gotcha. I've heard power and speed and usually think of power as WOT and speed as no clutch. I was hopin you were using the clutch. Lol.

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Sorry, "power" shifting is probably used more. Shifting with the gas pedal planted on the floor...
Old 10/22/10, 05:45 PM
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Hitting Cecil County Dragway at 8am tomorrow for a cool air run for the 11s. We'll see...
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Good luck!
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Originally Posted by jwgroovin
Hitting Cecil County Dragway at 8am tomorrow for a cool air run for the 11s. We'll see...
I predict an 11.97 @ 115.5 for you. Go have some fun and show us that 11 second timeslip tomorrow!
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Didnt happen. Ran a 12.07 at 113, 1.5 sixty, struggling to get the car in gear at high RPM. Cooled down 45mins, tried again, would NOT go into 2nd without letting off a split second, ran a 12.1. Cooled off 45mins, tried again. Ran a 12.2, struggling to get the car in gear at high RPM.

This was a used OEM clutch/flywheel pair, gave me the summer worth of runs. But it either slips badly or won't go in gear now when racing. Normal street driving has some clutch slip, but I can get around.

Haven't heard anything good regarding aftermarket clutches for NA powered cars. Had two Spec2+ clutches and steel flywheels, both were junk. Been using "low mileage" OEM clutches/flywheels ever since.

Heard good things about the Spec 3+. Cheaper than a brand new Ford clutch and flywheel...anyone???
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What kind of fluid are you using? Still factory fill? How about an after-market shifter?
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Spec 3+ with flywheel worked great in my '06. If you go Spec, don't go less than the 3 series.
Old 10/24/10, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by randy_tho
What kind of fluid are you using? Still factory fill? How about an after-market shifter?
Factory fluid and am currently using an MGW shifter. Prior to that was a Hurst, then the factory shifter.

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Spec 3+ with flywheel worked great in my '06. If you go Spec, don't go less than the 3 series.
Did you race it with very high (6500) rpm shifts? Weeding through the last five years of threads, it's just not clear what aftermarket shifters are working well for drag racing. Lots of aftermarket clutch/flywheels work just fine with street driving and the occasional burnout.

If you talk to well known racing shops, and I mean TALK to them, more often than not you eventually get redirected to the stock clutch (for my power levels, ~350hp NA). New ones work great, for a bit, but don't hold up for that long getting beat up at the track. I started racing my '05 in late '06, and alot through '07. The clutch went south that fall. Fought with two Spec2+ clutches in '09, and finally ditched it this year for used stock clutch/flywheel pairs. Like butter, the first two or three outings. Then they start to slip, and finally wont' engage at high rpms. Driving me nuts. Indirectly related question: aren't you a ford engineer?

I'm happy to spend $1000/year on a clutch that will hold up to abuse for a spring through fall season. Everything I've read on Specs says use the 3+. But it's not clear people are actually racing hard and frequently on that clutch...
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Didn't notice the MGW in your above mod list. Was hoping it's improved brace design would help you on the 2nd gear shift. So many talk about the high rpm lockout condition. What about the brace guys bolt to the transmission?

Doesn't seem like you should be burning through clutches so quickly. Would the slicks transfer more wear to the clutch or is it more your style?
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I see a 5R55S or 4R70W in your future - like this winter.
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
I see a 5R55S or 4R70W in your future - like this winter.
That is so tempting, and just be able to call it a day. But I think I'll hang on to the five speed. When the bottom end goes, I'll build a 400+ NA motor. When the trans goes, I'll get a built 3650 from American Powertrain, or maybe Liberty. I love rowing the gears, going for a PB or brackets.

Now, when get my 5.0, I'll get an auto since it will replace my daily driver (a '97 vert). Someday that will become a track car too I suppose...
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Originally Posted by randy_tho
What about the brace guys bolt to the transmission?
Right... "torque limiters".


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Originally Posted by jwgroovin
That is so tempting, and just be able to call it a day. But I think I'll hang on to the five speed. When the bottom end goes, I'll build a 400+ NA motor. When the trans goes, I'll get a built 3650 from American Powertrain, or maybe Liberty. I love rowing the gears, going for a PB or brackets.

Now, when get my 5.0, I'll get an auto since it will replace my daily driver (a '97 vert). Someday that will become a track car too I suppose...
I love rowing the gears, too. I owned 5 Mustang before my '07 GT and all 5 were manuals. I swore I'd never own an automatic. But, the '07 was destined to spend a lot of time at the dragstrip, so I went with an automatic for consistency. Also, having an auto (with a big 4800 rpm converter) means I don't have to lift for upshifts so I don't lose boost and am always in the powerband.

If I were gonna road race, or never go to the drag strip, I'd get a manual transmission.
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Yes! The name escaped me for some reason.

Originally Posted by cdynaco
Right... "torque limiters".


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I'm assuming that this brace keeps the trans from twisting in an effort to send more torque rearward? I don't have a bunch of experience with chassis mods.....
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I'm assuming that this brace keeps the trans from twisting in an effort to send more torque rearward? I don't have a bunch of experience with chassis mods.....
Nope, it just limits the twisting effects when you go in and out of gear, making it easier to shift. The fact that the entire transmission doesn't spin around on the crankshaft is what sends the torque rearward.
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Yup. My thoughts is it may help the 1-2 or especially the 2-3 shift. Perhaps the smoother shift would help guard against clutch wear?

Originally Posted by CO_VaporGT_09
Nope, it just limits the twisting effects when you go in and out of gear, making it easier to shift. The fact that the entire transmission doesn't spin around on the crankshaft is what sends the torque rearward.


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