just like to see who picks what

 

History is repeating itself. Muscle cars, gas prices, competition being too late to the market and not having an active, loyal following.

 

The correct answer is

D: Me

Or, for the rest of you, the consumer

 

Camaro. I think it's gonna be better than Mustang and Challenger.

 

Can I please see a real Camaro at the dealership first?
I am tired of all this speculation and such.
The Challenger turned out to be a 2 door Charger with nice tail lights and a gas guzzler tax.
The Camaro will be bought by Chevy diehards that probably want something besides the Corvette they already have.
While I saw a Grandma out driving a Mustang GT today because they are fun and affordable, these other cars are expensive toys that will see little daily driving.
The Camaro should be the fastest, and the shortest run because of it's late start.
The Challenger will be another nail in the Chrysler coffin, low sales and high operational costs.
The Mustang again wins by default. It out sells them all, and in the business of cars that's all that matters.

 

Hard to argue with your logic.

 

Return of the Turbo-4 Mustang?! Can you say SVO?!

 

I would love to see a new SVO.

OR perhaps a new II with an SVO-esque powertrain

 

Or maybe Ford will be working on FWD Mustang based on Mazda platform again.

 

BLASPHEMY!!

Lets hope it doesn't ever come to that yet man. That is not where Arin wants to be

 

If its a sales disaster it will be a short run and the last, if the F5 sells well then it will be around for a good amount of time. GM is really very very serious about this car, so serious they are even inviting in focus groups from the Camaro community to make sure its spot on.

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There are probably alot of people here that will give it serious consideration when it arrives and they are up for a new car purchase, I can probably think of half a dozen people that would jump ship because the F5 will embody thier ponycar ideal more than the Mustang does.

 

i still dont think the camaro is gonna win unless they drop weight like atleast 400 off it then it be able to beat the mustang. but wil have to see im just guessin mustang

 

Nobody knows where its gonna be, right know most people think 3700-3800 lbs, the next Stang will probably be a solid 3600 lbs. so the weight difference will not be that big of a deal.

 

i was hearing from chevy threads 3900lbs

 

Great.
They were very very serious about the GTO also.
6 people will jump ship, yeah that will make their sales figures explode.
What about the 6 people I actually know this month who bought 30mpg+ cars?
I think the car will be okay, I just don't think it will sell for s**t without 30 mpg.
I won't give it serious consideration because I can get enough fun for the 27K I already spent instead of wasting 40K for another second in the 1/4.
This isn't saying I don't like the idea of a new Camaro, only that it is a waste of time for GM.

 

yea what would that car get i wonder have to be worse than the Mustang

 

The mustang will be the survivor again.

I think that GM will only be successful if the camaro base price mirrors the mustangs. The problem is they seem to be building a better looking GTO and GTO was priced almost 10k over a Mustang GT.

Challenger I don't see lasting long. Sure it has a cool appeal but it is just too expensive and late to the game. If it came out when the charger did it would have been a pretty big hit as the gas prices were nowhere near what they are now.

The mustang is in a great position being lighter and new more efficent engine wil be out soon. It won't need as much muscle to be fast and it should be the most fuel efficent of the bunch which will win people over big time in this age.

 

Jury's still out, especially since we haven't even grilled defendant #3, the Camaro and defendant #1, the Mustang, is changing his story a bit in a year or so. That said, I'll give a qualified nod to the Stang.

Mustang:
+ smallest, lightest and cheapest of the bunch, heritage, new(ish) 5.0?
- oldest of the bunch, even with refresh; outdated suspension.

Camaro:
+ Fastest of the bunch(?); newest and freshest.
- Less affordable, bigger, thirstier.

Challenger:
+ Great styling, refined, roomy.
- Huge, heavy, thirsty, most expensive.

The main problem with the latter two is that they will both be rather large, heavy and thus, thirsty cars. I think they are coming out a bit out of sync with the times (CAFE, EPA, $4.00+ gas) and sales outside of their various enthusiast camps may thus suffer. The Mustang, despite some bloat in the GT500, will end up being the slimmest and trimmest, and thus most in tune with the times. The Mustang will likely be the cheapest, but whether that also represents the best value remains to be seen.

Hopefully the restyle will go well and not end up like the Focus Coupe or something, and the newish 5.0 even with "only" 400 hp, ought to stay competitive given less road hugging lard to push down the road. Now if Ford will only see fit to finally fit that IRS to give the Stang quarter horse agility to go with the thoroughbred speed...

I think all three cars will see relatively short lifespans on their current platforms as all three are too big to thrive in today's and tomorrow's automotive reality. Hopefully they'll survive into smaller, lighter, more efficient but suitably fast and fleet platforms in the next 4-6 years.

 

Anything GM did with the GTO absolutely pales in comparison with the F5. This car is taking forever to get out because the F5 team and GM by extension wants the car to be as close to perfect as it can be right out the door.

When was the last time Ford stopped by to set some misconceptions straight?

When was the last time Ford reached out to guys like us and asked us how the Mustang could be made better?

When was the last time Ford reached out and invited guys like us to actually check out the next Mustang?

The last thing I remember was a marketing survey with a bunch of radio buttons that I got through an email, thats it.

And if anybody doesn't think Ford is nervous about the Camaro just look at the new interior and the possible 400hp V8, or the rush to get said improved and more powerful Mustang out toward the F5's release. They didn't do that for Challenger.

Another thing to ponder, GM's entry level car is looking to be pretty good and from what I've heard, it might very well be the spiritual successor to the Z/28 of old. A relatively light 300hp+ V6 car equipped with a 6 spd manual trans with very capable suspension and brakes along with decent fuel mileage thrown in. Or if the Z/28 analogy doesn't work, at least consider the base V6 to be the equal of the Mustang GT.

In any event, like I said elsewhere, the F5 is a game changer (apprently on many levels) and I hope its sucessful if for no other reason that it will drive Team Mustang to do better.

 

I guess there is a first time for everything. Usually GM waits until the last year of production to get things right.
Yeah, just remember how nervous Ford was through the entire last few years of Camaro production.
They didn't even bother to produce a regular GT with more HP than the V8 Camaro and still sold more cars.
I thought I already had a relatively light 300HP car that handles better than the '69 Z28.
Ford will do what ever it can to increase Mustang MPGs without changing the flavor of the car too much. That's where the money is.